MY/HLT Hunslet 82 - Sorry Rest of You :(

There are a couple of people who use this forum who are interested in this cabinet and were given November as a date for availability by me.

Just a quick update to say that that date looks extremely unlikely. If you're really lucky it'll be December, and from a muttered comment on a phone call it wouldn't be that surprising if it disappeared altogether the way things are going.

People who live near the cabinet can't even get phone lines at the moment; BT submitted 2 applications to do work to repair broken duct to allow for new phone lines in July and were rebuffed, another put in yesterday was rejected today.

Currently on the availability checker it's listed as May 2014, BT's shorthand for 'We don't know.'

Again, apologies to the 99.9% of people who'll read this and couldn't care less. I keep most people up to date via a community site but there's a couple who don't use it.

Hi,

What was the reason for rejection?

I didn't think BT needed permission to do works as the have the necessary legal powers.

I'd be going to have a word with council if that was gong on in my town.

No acceptable.


Regards,

Section 58 notice I'd guess

In reply to a post by Ribble:

Section 58 notice I'd guess

This.

Ribble - thanks for the previous information on this by the way, it was appreciated.

Sadly the standing by late summer hasn't been an option and, indeed, if the information I have is up to date it seems likely the cabinet won't be stood in 2013, if at all.

I'm actually facing the absurd prospect of having to move so that I can work from home. I'm going to be renting a seat in an office in the interim.

Couldn't make it up. Having to rent office space to work from 'home'.

Confirmed that this isn't going live until 2014.

Finally something positive to report.

Council adopted the road 5 months earlier than standard timescales, and ensured that their contact at BT was aware.

I also mentioned it to an MD within BT who I've been corresponding with, his response was amusing and cryptic.

Either way BT put the street works request in the day after adoption and the cabinet, complete with an NGA aggregation node, is being built next week. Inevitable it'd either be pushed with some urgency or left for months. Fortunately cabinets are being built in this area as Wakefield and Leeds Central are going live soon so resource is here anyway.

Description:
Build 1 concrete chamber 2315mm x 737mm x 1565mm deep in Footway,Demolish 1 existing jointbox(s) or cabinet base(s),Erect/Renew 1 PCP cabinet and base (600mm x 300mm x 1000mm),Install 1m of 2 poly ducts in Footway
Start Date:
29/10/2013
End Date:
31/10/2013

could be may 2014 before its "live" my cabinet was stood across the road from me installed WITH power but still wasnt ready until 6 months later

good luck though

Nah it should be fine. BT are very motivated to get it done.

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

In reply to a post by Ribble:

Section 58 notice I'd guess

This.

according to sheffield council its allowed ifs its to provide a new service to a customer and a phone line I think is still considered a important service (utility). Although I am aware the exception 'may' be sheffield policy rather than legislation (I havent checked).

https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/roads/works/roadworks/p...

So I would get on to your council and maybe suggest to BTs legal department that they apply for the exception to install the new phone lines and then sneakily do the FTTC work at the same time.

Edited by Chrysalis (Sat 26-Oct-13 21:37:57)

It was a bit more complicated than that, but as you can see, things have moved on since then.

yeah, I couldnt be bothered to edit my post again.

In reply to a post by Ribble:

It was a bit more complicated than that, but as you can see, things have moved on since then.

Wasn't it just?

Huge kudos to BT / Openreach though, since there has been room to progress they are really going for it, the cabinet seems to have a fair amount of visibility within BT and from on high the order seems to be to get the thing in ASAP.

EDIT: I was a bit confused looking at images of earlier installs when I saw the size of the cable that was being used for the fibre, however the street works application suggests that a new aggregation node is being built.

November was the original date, I get the impression that this is the ambition even with the late standing, though December / January is the 'new' plan.

This area was covered by a TV programme and has had a shedload of community involvement, and consumed a ton of my time, so fingers crossed the end is in sight.

I may well get a little emotional when the cabinet is stood, and I will be getting extremely drunk when it's running as many of the about 500 households want to buy me drinks.

*HIC*

Edited by deleted (Sat 26-Oct-13 22:24:01)

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

So I would get on to your council and maybe suggest to BTs legal department that they apply for the exception to install the new phone lines and then sneakily do the FTTC work at the same time.

This would be a massively bad idea from BT's point of view. Someone may notice when a piece of work to excavate and repair ducting ends up with a 288 line Huawei street cabinet and a new 2m deep pit appearing

In any even the S.58 does not cover this part of the road, there was some confusion. The Section 58 did say 'whole length' however at that time the road was split status. Part of it was adopted and part was not, the S.58's 'whole length' comment referred to the adopted part only.

As it is the unadopted part received expedited adoption, BT had already gotten the fibre to the pit outside the PCP and applied within hours of receiving notice of the adoption to do the rest.

It appears that a lack of adoption of the road is a big thing that prevents new cabinets and joint boxes being installed.

It seems strange that BT's document for developers tells them about the need for ducting for fibre alongside all the standard joint-boxes, yet has nothing about the need for FTTC support.

Doesn't it mean that new builds continue to be will be left in limbo until their roads are adopted? My last experience was that adoption can take years to happen.

New builds now should be FTTP. There is no reason at all not to deploy FTTP on greenfield.

When the infrastructure here was laid down it was 9 years ago. There was building near the road for years, so it's only just been adopted.

The problem is if a road is nearing adoption really. In that case the developers are going to be reluctant to give BT the wayleave as they don't want to threaten the completion of the adoption process.

That is my experience anyway. A cabinet deployed deeper into the estate onto a road that isn't adopted and isn't close to it went fairly smoothly. This road was more problematic.

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

as they don't want to threaten the completion of the adoption process.

That makes sense. It looks to be a convoluted process anyway, with councils being quite picky, so I can understand a certain reluctance.

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

New builds now should be FTTP. There is no reason at all not to deploy FTTP on greenfield.

I agree. But I don't get the impression that many are going for full FTTP yet - some, but not many. Even amongst the developers who set themselves at the higher end of the market don't seem to be too bothered.

In reply to a post by WWWombat:

I agree. But I don't get the impression that many are going for full FTTP yet - some, but not many. Even amongst the developers who set themselves at the higher end of the market don't seem to be too bothered.

Openreach shouldn't even be offering the option to use copper on greenfield developments anymore.

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

In reply to a post by WWWombat:

I agree. But I don't get the impression that many are going for full FTTP yet - some, but not many. Even amongst the developers who set themselves at the higher end of the market don't seem to be too bothered.

Openreach shouldn't even be offering the option to use copper on greenfield developments anymore.

Does anyone know the benefits for a house builder to install FTTP for new builds? I'm sure BT pay the developer £150 a property to install copper for telephone services.