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Hi,
Apart from activating the cabinet that provide SFBB to part of the estate where I live BT have also enabled the area for FTToD.
This was a pretty surprising development. How have people been getting on with ordering the service etc etc?
Regards,
Gareth
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Not had any feedback from anybody who has done a fibre on demand service.
Not really surprised as businesses seem to talk less about their connections than consumers
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This was a pretty surprising development. How have people been getting on with ordering the service etc etc? I suspect that most have been put off by the prices, particularly as BT have chosen to only make FTTPoD available in areas which already have FTTC and therefore reasonable broadband performance.
Michael Chare
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By its nature of needing a fibre aggregation node to run the on demand element from it will only be available in areas with FTTC - and in FTTP areas it is irrelevant
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If you can find any retail prices outside of bespoke delivery of solutions that'd be cool as I've not seen any off the shelf solutions or retail price levels.
The 3 year contract probably doesn't fill many people with joy either.
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Do any ISPs actually provide FTTPoD?
PlusNet have a closed trial.
BT Retail seem to have no info on it on their consumer/business sites.
Any others?
I think the 3 year term is not particularly attractive to consumers, but I suppose it's not too bad for businesses considering a leased line normally has a 3 or 5 year contract period.
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I hope ofcom will banned 36 months contract as it far too long. Should be 12 or 18 months.
plusnetADSL2+16 Meg
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Expect the connection charge to increase if the installation costs can't be amortised over a longer contract term.
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I hope ofcom will banned 36 months contract as it far too long. Should be 12 or 18 months.
FTTC/P recently changed to 12 month contracts with OpenReach from 18 months. Not quite sure why FTTPoD didn't change to 18 months.
Something else that I thought would make FTTPoD attractive is say a number of houses on a street getting together to get FTTPoD and spread the cost among them. But apparently OpenReach's pricing takes this into account already (which would probably mean it is loss making if only one person takes it up in an area).
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Ofcom has a 24 month limit currently, but as aimed at businesses rather than consumers it can stand.
Openreach also point out that ISP can adjust pricing so that its a 2 year contract if they want...
It is not aimed at the average consumer, but the sort of person who has been badgering for FTTP at a semi sensible price, without the need to find 200 neighbours who will also order it.
It is not a perfect product, but it is another option.
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Take a look at the range of options in the Super Connected Cities scheme and that is where you are likely to find Fibre on Demand type providers.
BT Retail consumer is not going to touch this for some years I would suggest.
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Expect the connection charge to increase if the installation costs can't be amortised over a longer contract term.
I would be fine with a higher up front charge if it meant full access to the range of GEA products and terms rather than 36 months of data only 330Mb.
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FTTC/P recently changed to 12 month contracts with OpenReach from 18 months.
Really?
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Something else that I thought would make FTTPoD attractive is say a number of houses on a street getting together to get FTTPoD and spread the cost among them. But apparently OpenReach's pricing takes this into account already (which would probably mean it is loss making if only one person takes it up in an area).
No probably about it.
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FTTC/P recently changed to 12 month contracts with OpenReach from 18 months.
Really?
I believe this came into effect from Jun/Jul. "The minimum term period for Fibre to the Cabinet and Fibre to the Premises products are 12 months."
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No probably about it.
I'm still not sure whether the pricing though is calculated on a certain percentage takeup.
Say you have 10 houses that live 500m from the aggregation node and all agree to take FTTPoD. That would mean £6,000 (inc. VAT) for the connection charge and £12,000 (inc VAT) distance charge bringing a total of £18,000.
Is that a realistic cost for the work to BT (even taking into account some profit to be made)?
Once the splitter is in place, it should be cheaper to then feed other houses in the area.
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The idea is that the first person to request it does not get charged the whole bill but only essentially part of it. It is only once it reaches a certain take-up that the charges cover the costs. It is difficult to say exactly what the costs would be as it will depend on the local circumstance and the rate BT have set is presumably so that they can get some sort of payback when it is averaged across the country.
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The old figure is 7 hours of engineer time to do the final drop to each house, i.e. the last 50m or so from the manifold, which links back to the splitter which links back to the aggregation node.
Then look at the time it takes for them to run in the fibre tubing, and then blow and splice the fibres. The time it is taking B4RN to complete its roll-out shows that its not pure Openreach delaying tactics but that FTTP is civil work intensive.
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