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Standard User Stanman_24
(knowledge is power) Wed 27-Nov-13 10:53:59
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Congratulations BT


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Enable CMSTE and CHSHEL some 4 months ago but still keep delaying RFS Dates

3rd delay and counting

It is quite pathetic considering these exchanges are within 2 miles of Birmingham city centre, VM have had 100mbit + for several years now but BT cant be arsed to roll out inner city birmingham some 4 years after FTTC roll out started

Pat on the back lads !

KRO BCFC smile

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Standard User adslmax
(knowledge is power) Wed 27-Nov-13 11:09:59
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I agree as BT are the worse one, keep delaying & delaying and nothing is plan yet. BT don't care as long you are BT customer. That's BT for you. I seen other post that one cabinet sit there for 18 months and finally gone LIVE.

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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Wed 27-Nov-13 11:22:40
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Not sure if this forum is really an official channel for BT.

This is nothing specific against or to Birmingham. A few inner city areas have had to wait. MYWAK is still awaiting RFS and has both more business and more residential premises than either of the suburban exchanges you mentioned.

The exchange that hosts the biggest legal and financial services sector outside of London in England, MYLS, likewise isn't enabled.

Being close to the centre of a city or even in the centre of a city doesn't actually make FTTC easier, it adds challenges that aren't present in more lightly populated areas.

There are exchanges in London which have only relatively recently been enabled.

BT couldn't care less whether your exchange is in 'Inner city' using the term very loosely Birmingham or the middle of nowhere. They only care about the commercials of deploying and the manpower available in the area. If the exchanges are delayed they are delayed because additional work needs to be done to get them ready. Nothing at all to do with not being 'arsed'. BT have spent money on these areas already and would very much like to be getting some return on that sooner rather than later.

That said I think I just wasted my time trying to respond constructively to the most recent in a series of posts made purely to rant. Oh well.


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Standard User Gadget
(committed) Wed 27-Nov-13 11:24:56
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Have you emailed the nga.enquiries mailbox to ask why there are delays?
Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Wed 27-Nov-13 11:29:07
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I agree as BT are the worse one, keep delaying & delaying and nothing is plan yet. BT don't care as long you are BT customer. That's BT for you. I seen other post that one cabinet sit there for 18 months and finally gone LIVE.


How exactly can they delay if nothing is planned? A delay means that a timescale must have been planned else there's nothing to delay.

Why would Openreach delay their programme if people are already BT customers? So that they can wait longer before receiving a return on their investment and receive less money over the course of the lifetime of the hardware? So that they can wait before trying to win back the line rental of cable customers who may be swayed by availability of FTTC?

It is in BT's financial interests to get everything ready as soon as possible so that they can start making money from it.

If you hate BT so much stick with Virgin and Virgin alone. You seem to be orgasmic in your pants over the prospect of FTTC and retain a BT Wholesale line right now so evidently you are fine with giving BT money.

If you dislike the company so much stop paying them. Simple.
Standard User billford
(elder) Wed 27-Nov-13 11:34:13
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I think you're failing to take account of a significant point- you are describing the situation as it exists on the planet on which you live.

As is adslmax wink

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Standard User adslmax
(knowledge is power) Wed 27-Nov-13 11:38:11
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I do hate BT but I do like FTTC to be honest and can't wait to get rid of virgin media. I choose FTTC because of BT long term reliable and a better upload than virgin media.

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Standard User billford
(elder) Wed 27-Nov-13 11:53:14
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I do hate BT
That's fair enough (they're not my favourite organisation either), but please try to keep your criticisms based on the realities of real-life business situations, not meaningless rants that do nothing but clutter up tbb's hard drives.

Bill
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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 27-Nov-13 13:12:31
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How exactly can they delay if nothing is planned?
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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Wed 27-Nov-13 13:38:10
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In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:
How exactly can they delay if nothing is planned?
tongue
Delay making the plan?


In which case you were planning to make that plan.
Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Wed 27-Nov-13 13:41:16
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I think you're failing to take account of a significant point- you are describing the situation as it exists on the planet on which you live.

As is adslmax wink


You have a point. I'm stuck in a world where things make sense, people have to work for a living and don't have the time to sit filming Openreach installing their 40,000-something cabinet. Where people even have to pay for their own Internet connections and pursue interests in their own time as work / study / family requires a substantial amount of the week to be given up.
Standard User KelvinBridge
(newbie) Wed 27-Nov-13 14:12:28
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.... no no no, they were planning a delay in the plan that they were planning to delay, the plan to delay the plan only came after the plan was planned !!


....... naturally !
Standard User ian72
(knowledge is power) Wed 27-Nov-13 16:28:41
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.... no no no, they were planning a delay in the plan that they were planning to delay, the plan to delay the plan only came after the plan was planned !!


....... naturally !


Unfortunately that plan failed.
Standard User R0NSKI
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 27-Nov-13 17:34:06
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In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:
You have a point. I'm stuck in a world where things make sense, people have to work for a living and don't have the time to sit filming Openreach installing their 40,000-something cabinet. Where people even have to pay for their own Internet connections and pursue interests in their own time as work / study / family requires a substantial amount of the week to be given up.


I know that world, not sure about the making sense and I'll have to scrub the study and replace it with DIY.

Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Wed 27-Nov-13 21:51:37
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You owe me for 2 painkillers, Kelvin.
Standard User WWWombat
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 27-Nov-13 23:31:59
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I know that world, not sure about the making sense and I'll have to scrub the study and replace it with DIY.


In my version of that world, time constraints mean I've given up trying to correct the uneducated rants that are coming to populate these (and other) forums. I've learnt to find it amusing.

It's a shame, but you can't spend time you haven't got...
Standard User KelvinBridge
(newbie) Thu 28-Nov-13 01:14:06
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##It's a shame, but you can't spend time you haven't got...##





........which Doctor Who said that as I haven't had the time to check it myself ...yet !
Standard User KelvinBridge
(newbie) Thu 28-Nov-13 01:16:24
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You owe me for 2 painkillers, Kelvin.



remember to mark the one that your planning to take first as any delay could have unexpected

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Standard User brightd
(experienced) Thu 28-Nov-13 09:22:32
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I understand your sentiment. However, on my exchange, which was one of the winners of the race to infinity, the rest of the cabinets have had FTTC for 18 months or so. Our cabinet is destined for FTTP, but despite work having been slowly on-going of over a year, fibre cables being rolled up at the bottom of the poles, and multiple questions to nga coming back suggesting availability dates which started in March this year we are no where near availability.

I also would have thought that BT would want a return on their FTTP investment so far, but it seems not.

David

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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Thu 28-Nov-13 11:34:53
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I also would have thought that BT would want a return on their FTTP investment so far, but it seems not.


Or they are, as elsewhere, having deployment problems.
Standard User arfster
(knowledge is power) Thu 28-Nov-13 12:01:51
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Re: Congratulations BT


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Enable CMSTE and CHSHEL some 4 months ago but still keep delaying RFS Dates

3rd delay and counting



Haha, only third?

Try four years of delays, at least a dozen booked roadworks and a grand sum of zero done with them all. Not that it would matter if they had actually got the cabinet installed - the others around here have been installed but unconnected for 18 months ............
Standard User Ribble
(experienced) Thu 28-Nov-13 13:13:02
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Can you put this into some context? Are there particular cabinets that are delayed?The vast majority of CMSTE cabinets that are planned seem to have been completed, with just a few still to be completed. I have not looked at at CMSHEL much but at least a few of those have been completed, maybe many more
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 28-Nov-13 13:20:03
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http://maps.thinkbroadband.com/#!lat=52.4429833819&l...

Can find a FTTC result down near Hobs Meadow and near Warwick Road too, but most good speeds are Virgin Media based.

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Standard User Stanman_24
(knowledge is power) Thu 28-Nov-13 18:04:59
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cmste covers a lot of sheldon / yardley also

I am talking about a mile off the coventry road heading towards yardley

KRO BCFC smile

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Standard User Ribble
(experienced) Thu 28-Nov-13 18:19:37
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which cabinets specifically, because the vast majority of the CMSTE cabinets are complete.
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