BT Cabinet Installing Part 2

When will I be able to see BT Wholesale Availability Checker to show up FTTC date availability & estimate speed? As my cabinet 8 FTTC is now finally stood up but still nothing yet on BT Wholesale Availability Checker.

http://s5.postimg.org/xyjvna8mf/20131221_132435.jpg

Could be next week, could be six months

I think the OP should e-mail Liv Garfield straight away on the subject

Yes I will email her and I hope to get it next week, not six months.

took about 2-3 months for the wholesale checker to show speeds

cabinet erection is the easy part

She told you end of January. Shouldn't you wait until then before you harass her again?

Yes she did metion end of January. Maybe it can go ahead with order without BT Wholesale Availability Checker on it.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Yes she did metion end of January. Maybe it can go ahead with order without BT Wholesale Availability Checker on it.

No, it can't. That's the same information Plusnet use.

I was wondering why is this cabinet 12 (FTTC cabinet installed there) where there is no pcp 12 nearby as I found one pcp 12 almost 10 minutes walk away from it.

http://s5.postimg.org/gqhxvua07/image.jpg

I thought BT want FTTC cabinet to be next within PCP cabinet within 100m?

The person who live in the back garden are very lucky to have easy FTTPoD installation when it available as it just by the wall from the back garden of the person house.

Edited by adslmax (Sat 21-Dec-13 18:46:34)

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

No, it can't. That's the same information Plusnet use.

Oh right, so I have to wait longer. Maybe MrSaffron is right afterall, could be six months in June 2014.

Should be ready in 2 to 4 weeks all being well.

FTTPoD doesn't come from the cabinet but from the fibre node that serves the cabinet. My cabinet is a kilometre from its fibre node.

I was taking the mick, Max, you realise that she has quite a lot of other stuff to do without having to micromanage your cabs uplift.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

I was taking the mick, Max, you realise that she has quite a lot of other stuff to do without having to micromanage your cabs uplift.

I think you're mistaking him for someone who cares and/or is aware of that.

EDIT: To be fair to him it's her own fault for continuing to entertain him for so long and on so many occasions. She should have delegated it fully ages ago.

Edited by Ignitionnet (Sat 21-Dec-13 21:45:32)

I would say 3 - 6 months

In my observations over the years the checker can show an estimate at anytime, could be months before the cabinet is installed or equally could be months after. When it does start to show an estimate it may also didisappear for a while only to come back again later.

Mine was finished 8 weeks ago.

Still waiting.

E-mail? Don't you have her home telephone number?

Don't you have her home telephone number?

Why do you think she is leaving for Severn Trent Water ? God forbid his plumbing springs a leak !

In reply to a post by Spud2003:

E-mail? Don't you have her home telephone number?

I do have her telephone number (CEO openreach office directly number to her) but I haven't phoned her yet, only email her.

Edited by adslmax (Sun 22-Dec-13 13:02:40)

In reply to a post by wolvesmad:

Mine was finished 8 weeks ago.

Still waiting.

That's the reason here: http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/WNHLN FTTC status: Not available and here: http://www.superfast-openreach.co.uk/where-and-when/

Exchange Name: HOLLINSWOOD
Status: Future Exchange
Forecast date: By end of 2014

Quoted from Part 1 part of this thread;

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Thread has hit that magical mysterious size where we close it down and invite pick to back link and start a part 2 thread if there is a need for a continuation

I question whether there really was a need to continue this matter with the pointless selfish questions you continually dream up.

So you've had a FTTC cabinet installed nearby, so what? So have many other people, but many probably haven't, so why not just consider yourself fortunate and let the process run it's course which you've already been told is progressing nicely.

BT Checker had now finally show up:

BT BROADBAND AVAILABILITY CHECKER
Telephone Number 019******** on Exchange CUCKOO OAK is served by Cabinet 8

Featured Products


Downstream Line Rate(Mbps)


Upstream Line Rate(Mbps)


Downstream Range(Mbps)


Availability Date
High Low High Low
FTTC Range A (Clean) 80 79.9 20 20 -- 31-Jan-14
FTTC Range B (Impacted) 80 78.5 20 19 -- 31-Jan-14

31-Jan-14 !

pmsl

In reply to a post by Stanman_24:

31-Jan-14 !

How long it take the order processing once it goes LIVE end of Jan 2014? I think Plusnet take 14 working days?

It would be polite to phone Richard Branson and tell him soon you won't be needing your Internet service from him.

I would not take that date as gospel

my rfs date changed 3 different times

but as soon as it is says available then you sign up, I had lead time of 10 days, my install is on xmas eve

In my case I had to wait 5 weeks after placing my order. It all depends on engineer availability if a home visit is required.

Mind you self-install will be an option depending on the ISP you go with so it could be much quicker.

In reply to a post by Rastus:

I question whether there really was a need to continue this matter with the pointless selfish questions you continually dream up.

I question why people keep replying to him.

Right folk, happy xmas & happy new year to you all. I having a break now for xmas and I will post back once I had FTTC activated.

Happy Christmas to one and all !

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Happy Christmas to one and all !

Zarjaz wins this thread.

Saw BT working on my cabinet 8 FTTC with a tent on it. (why tent?)

It's cold out there

Openreach working on my cabinet 8 all day since this morning. But, they had left an hour ago. Can hear fan closer to it.

Updated on my cabinet: Just saw BT Openreach this morning at my cabinet as he open the FTTC cabinet as I asked him polite "When will I getting FTTC live service?" he say to me "There is a problem delaying as the new line card request had been push back date, I expecting it won't be ready until May 2014".

I am furious and going to fired away email to Olivia & Richard (project manager for FTTC cabinet) and also I was shocked that I noticed BT Availability Checker had removed FTTC estimate and speed on their database.

Disgraceful, why line card had been delaying and why it taking five months to wait? The card line should pre-order earlier? Not happy at all.

Edited by adslmax (Sat 28-Dec-13 13:57:37)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I having a break now for xmas and I will post back once I had FTTC activated.

That "promise" didn't last long..........

The Checker had pushed the date back again. (before was 31-Jan-14)

Availability Date
High Low High Low
FTTC Range A (Clean) 80 79.9 20 20 -- 31-Mar-14
FTTC Range B (Impacted) 80 78.5 20 19 -- 31-Mar-14

Edited by adslmax (Wed 01-Jan-14 12:46:35)

You'll get use to it. I've contacted Openreach twice since July for an estimate on when I'd get fibre. It started at October, then December and I'm still without, what I'd consider, decent broadband. I might be able to gather enough money to move before they got it together.

I guess that its quite ironic why it's called BT Infinity... As that's how long people have to wait before they can get it....

I think I won't get it until Dec 2014. I bet it will.

your no different from the rest of us m8

man up and accept RFS dates changing at the last second

I witnessed cmshel change RFS dates twice on the exact dates they were suppose to go live

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I think I won't get it until Dec 2014. I bet it will.

I foresee an increase in the suicide rate of ThinkBroadband members, and a restraining order in your general direction from Olivia Garfield if that is the case.

Only, she leaves in the spring .

Completely feel your pain.

Mines been pushed back to 31 Jan 14 now.

Mine has also been pushed back to 31st March despite being told by the FTTC Director that there should be no problem getting this in place for end of January.

Time will tell, but it doesn't show good.

Maybe there's just been a big database update, or maybe what adslmax was saying about the guy outside his house suggesting there was a line card shortage?

Constant delaying tactics, rather unnecessarily IMHO for certain cabinets.

Simon

Have you got a decent car? Put a network cable into a bucket, wait for the bucket to fill with packets then drive it off to a fibre enabled exchange.

In reply to a post by sjdean:

Maybe there's just been a big database update

That.

These are to the same address, via the same drop cable and drop point, just one went onto the checker today while the other has been around a while.

Original line
Second line.

I had email Liv as got a reply:

13:28 (1 minute ago)

to me

Thank you for your email. I am currently on holiday and I had forward to my assistant Sharon Jones who will deal with your case.



Thank you.




Kind Regards,
Liv
Olivia Garfield / Chief Executive, Openreach

Edited by adslmax (Thu 02-Jan-14 13:33:08)

Post deleted by Ignitionnet

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

Post deleted by Ignitionnet

U are insulted me as your quote is not very nice at all, but did I ever insult u as I don't think so as I got every respect for others.

Ignitionnet replied to your post at the site: .


I loathe the lack of an ignore function on this forum. That and my own inability to ignore without one.

I hate to break it to you but no-one cares about your cabinet, no-one cares about it getting enabled beyond wishing it would so that you'd stop posting every detail about it, and no-one needs to read your correspondence with Liv Garfield apart from perhaps the board of BT and the shareholders who could quite legitimately ask whether this is a good use of her time.

You are either playing on disability like crazy, in which case I can't write my opinion of you on this forum, or she's really bored and winding down with BT already. I have a strong suspicion you play on disability a fair bit given the various concessions you extracted from Virgin Media on your time, though I hope not as that's an insult to each and every disabled person who does their utmost to avoid needing concessions, including myself.

Shedloads of people have seen the odd delay with cabinets and most don't see fit to post on here every time the availability checker changes.

Would you please stop posting on this. There is absolutely no value in relating this on here. It helps no-one, it achieves nothing. It's just you stomping like a petulant child because you're stuck with just Virgin Media and 18Mb+ DSL. Oh the pain.

Times like these I really wish I were neuro-typical and could more easily ignore things. It doesn't happen often, but this is one of those times.

Grr.

Back to work. I do, after all, have your welfare to pay to fund your 2 broadband connections.

Edited by adslmax (Thu 02-Jan-14 14:25:00)

the cabs get an auto place holder now futher out due to various rulings so date gets pushed out even fruther (careful what you wish for) -- so that date is a hypothecitcal pne and the cab goes live it will move to Now as soon as cab is ready assuming cab is being done)

so in theory in this case the cab will be commised end of jan and move to Now in an ordering state and then the placeholder date will be ignored -id wat ti end of jan and see what the checker does then

Got email from Sharon Jones as she say my cabinet is still planned as live date later this month (end of January 2014) and told me not to worry about BT Wholesale Checker as it will go ahead as 31-Jan-14.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

U are insulted me as your quote is not very nice at all, but did I ever insult u as I don't think so as I got every respect for others.

I'm not a very nice man.

You're welcome. Happy to clear that up for you.

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

...

You are either playing on disability like crazy, in which case I can't write my opinion of you on this forum, or she's really bored and winding down with BT already. I have a strong suspicion you play on disability a fair bit given the various concessions you extracted from Virgin Media on your time, though I hope not as that's an insult to each and every disabled person who does their utmost to avoid needing concessions, including myself.

...

I don't think it would be a physical disability as MadMax adslmax stated he found a cabinet a good 10 minutes walk away from where he thought it might be just a week or two ago.

Edited by Rastus (Thu 02-Jan-14 20:16:37)

In reply to a post by Fastman2:

the cabs get an auto place holder now futher out due to various rulings so date gets pushed out even fruther (careful what you wish for) -- so that date is a hypothecitcal pne and the cab goes live it will move to Now as soon as cab is ready assuming cab is being done)

so in theory in this case the cab will be commised end of jan and move to Now in an ordering state and then the placeholder date will be ignored -id wat ti end of jan and see what the checker does then

I thought that was an old ruling though? At least six months ago, because my cab was being pushed back just by one month increments even though BT had absolutely no solution in place to get fibre to my cabinet. They were trying to come in aerially over the telephone poles but the tech wasn't available or something. This is the first time for me that they've put it back three months, despite NGA saying it'll be done within a month. Of course once again, not one trace of any action anywhere on this cab, so Im still doubtful for mine

Take what they say with a pinch of salt.

In reply to a post by Rastus:

I don't think it would be a physical disability as MadMax adslmax stated he found a cabinet a good 10 minutes walk away from where he thought it might be just a week or two ago.

Yes indeed.

physical disability? I am not. End of. I only had 4 hours sleep in the last 2 weeks anxious over cabinet available order date, I kept checked every hour, every days.

Edited by adslmax (Fri 03-Jan-14 00:28:26)

I only had 4 hours sleep in the last 2 weeks anxious over cabinet available order date, I kept checked every hour, every days.

That's totally insane. All the more so given the speed of your ADSL connection and you also having a VM line.

For the sake of everyone using this forum find yourself something more constructive to occupy your time.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

physical disability? I am not. End of. I only had 4 hours sleep in the last 2 weeks anxious over cabinet available order date, I kept checked every hour, every days.

What did you do when Father Christmas didn't come? Or were you asleep when that 'happened'?

I hate to be the one to tell you, but he doesn't really exist.

I had give up. I had decided to stay with virgin media and look forward to upgrade 152/15 with VM later this year. I had enough with BT. Going to cancel my bt line rental and ADSL2+ too.

.................................................................. sigh

Anyone want to open a book on how long before the inevitable change of mind?

Well the cabinet I am connected to was put up in November 2012, Estimate for go live was April 2013. This is still getting pushed back every month so currently says January 2014. So 14 months and counting, a cabinet which is probably 1km further up the same road further from the exchange was up and running in November 2013.

There is very little point in contacting open-reach as they just fob you off with false information, or are so vague it is just a waste of time.

"Estimate" and thats all it is .

For my old house, the exchange went live in November 2010, and all the cabinets in my surrounding area were live and orderable in December 2010.

My cabinet was physically installed at the same time as the others (October 2010), but didn't go live at the same time. It eventually went live at the end of March 2011, and took until June for my order to be installed; from the various roadworks that happened, it looks like they had problems finding power for it.

It is certainly frustrating when you are on the receiving end, but it is also perfectly understandable - there will be some percentage of cabinets where problems are encountered, and the cheapest way to deal with them in the rollout is to put them to one side, and sort things out later.

At the time, Openreach had no method to find out what was going on, so you just had to employ patience. It is a useful commodity, sometimes.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I had give up. I had decided to stay with virgin media and look forward to upgrade 152/15 with VM later this year. I had enough with BT. Going to cancel my bt line rental and ADSL2+ too.

Been with Virgin Media for 3 years but soon as i switched to Fibre ahhhhh!
Trust me you will regret it as there network is way overloaded!

I can understand his frustration. I'm in the same boat in the same town, just different exchange.

Constant let downs on RFS dates by BT but at least our cabinets have been installed and appear to be ready to go.

I'd love an 18Mb DSL connection mind. I'm lucky to have a reasonably stable 6.5Mb connection considering my attentuation (52db) but with no cable available what can we do??

Edited by wolvesmad (Tue 07-Jan-14 15:57:52)

Your exchange is not available for FTTC yet according samknows. I can see it say end of 2014 by BT when and where site for your exchange sadly.

Contractor had return to my cabinet digging up again as the power had failed say Liv Garfield latest email. That's the reason the date had been pushed back again. Liv say my FTTC won't be ready until May 2014 now. Very frustrated.

Edited by adslmax (Tue 07-Jan-14 16:44:20)

But you were going to cancel your order because BT are rubbish ................................................... weren't you????????????????????

No, I won't cancel it. It's just angrily frustrated heated moment when I say it which I don't mean it.

Edited by adslmax (Tue 07-Jan-14 16:48:26)

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

Anyone want to open a book on how long before the inevitable change of mind?

I win!!

(I'll take my prize in BT shares)

Edited by Stevenage_Neil (Tue 07-Jan-14 16:56:55)

The exchange is ready. The cabs are being tested and as soon as the first cabs are ready the exchange will go live.

**************@openreach.co.uk

17:59 (15 minutes ago)

to me, olivia.garfield

Hi ******,



Progress as you know the Dslam cabinet is now stood.

Also happy to report power was successfully connected.



We are now actively connecting the fibre and copper, slight delay at present due to an underground blockage which I will get feedback on progress tomorrow.

I will send you an overall update at the end of the week.







Regards
Olivia Garfield

Chief Executive, Openreach

Tel ***** ******

Wish I could get constant updates. My cab is about 300m from a fibre enabled cab which had just been turned on. It's incredibly frustrating to know that if I was living round the corner I wouldn't be on this feeble connection. Ugh.

Mine has been standing and running for the past 6 weeks now.

Getting the actual thing installed and running is just the first of many hurdles.

Rather than constantly exchanging e-mails, you already know it won't be too long, simply read this post, sign up to a page watching service(like this), and insert a URL with your phone number. You will then be automatically notified when the BT checker is changed i.e. when your cabinet goes live.

Of course I realise my suggestion is entirely rational and you'll completely ignore it.

I will not use this watching service this page: http://www.followthatpage.com/ as I don't want to give this person my phone number. No thanks

Use someone-else's phone number.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

Use someone-else's phone number.

Do what I did, search a local business connected to the same cab and use that number.

Do you really think someone is going to look through all the URLs entered and pick out your phone number? Unlikely.

I've had two numbers in a page checker for well over a year, and I haven't yet been inundated with phone calls.

Saw two BT Openreach vans today as they pulled out fibre optic cable from cabinet 8 to FTTC. Sound like contractor had messed it up.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Saw two BT Openreach vans today as they pulled out fibre optic cable from cabinet 8 to FTTC. Sound like contractor had messed it up.

The contractor pulled the microduct for the fibre. Openreach themselves then blow the fibre down the microduct from aggregation node.

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

aggregation node.

Where can I find it in my area? Because if they bring in FTTPoD, I like to know how far away from aggregation node to my house? Cos, I like to order FTTPoD 330/30 one day. I think Cuckoo Oak are the next batch in spring 2014 from BT.

Edited by adslmax (Wed 08-Jan-14 22:27:31)

Email Liv and ask.

Openreach men told me that it had now successful fibre blow from the exchange to cabinet (fttc) and it now activated to the old cabinet (pcp8) and it now awaiting for BT Wholesale Checker to accepting order anytime now. Can't wait

In reply to a post by adslmax:

... Cos, I like to order FTTPoD 330/30 ...

And here's me under the impression the government were cutting back on benefits ...

Edited by Rastus (Thu 09-Jan-14 21:41:58)

They certainly need to be! He'll probably keep all the connections!

it was a long time More than year I think between my FTTC cabinet appearing and FTTC going live

either he isnt on benefits, or he is joking about what he is ordering, you guys all falling for it.

I reckon it'll be a few weeks yet.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

either he isnt on benefits, or he is joking about what he is ordering, you guys all falling for it.

He said he wanted to.

You may remember his apparent ability to be completely immune to contracts with Virgin Media.

Anyway all weirdness.

Is it impossible to be disabled and fairly well off?

No, it's possible to be disabled, fairly well off and get benefits you don't need - if you are a pensioner aka possible Tory voter.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

either he isnt on benefits, or he is joking about what he is ordering, you guys all falling for it.

Well said. Proud of u.

*** **********@openreach.co.uk

13:52 (4 minutes ago)

to me

Dear ****************,



Good news today copper is now connected as well.



So we just have some civils engineering to complete on the fibre next week and we will be complete.



Your fibre will be ready as of 31st January 2014.


Regards

Olivia Garfield

Chief Executive, Openreach

Tel ***** ******

Openreach connected fibre to copper pcp8 yesterday. http://s5.postimg.org/deo8ga7mv/20140109_120043.jpg

Edited by adslmax (Fri 10-Jan-14 15:19:04)

Oh golden-tongued one .

Dear ISP's staff

I am looking for bonding two lines with FTTC as I would like to have 160/40 possible. If you can provided this, please contact me through my private message.

Thanks

Adslmax

In reply to a post by adslmax:

So we just have some civils engineering to complete on the fibre next week and we will be complete.

If anyone from BT wrote that I would have them fired! Nobody from BT, excluding foreign Help Lines, would use such a non-grammatical, (as with a majority of posts on this thread), statement.

Edited by Stevenage_Neil (Fri 10-Jan-14 15:37:17)

Surely an easy mistake from someone who many times a day will use the abbreviation civils, and knowing it to be jargon added engineering for the layman. Then forgot to delete the "s"?

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Surely an easy mistake from someone who many times a day will use the abbreviation civils, and knowing it to be jargon added engineering for the layman. Then forgot to delete the "s"?

A BT employee?

Post deleted by MrSaffron

No need for that sort of language and/or comment

Just placed my order with BT for Infinity.

Finally an end of this 6mb connection is near. Hurrraaaah

How long was it between your cab being stalled and you being able to order?

31 October was the first date. Exchange was supposed to go live in Sept.

It's literally just gone to available today. Install date is the 27th.

In reply to a post by wolvesmad:

Just placed my order with BT for Infinity.

Finally an end of this 6mb connection is near. Hurrraaaah

I was surprise u went to BT (not Plusnet) as I know BT had indian call centre nightmare. But, good luck to your fibre on the 27th (u're get it first before me) lol

So 31st oct was when your local FTTC cab was installed?

of course not, some comments have been made about him apparently living only of benefits? hence my comment.

of course he could be on DLA "and" in a well paid job since DLA has nothng to do with employment.

But regardless of his situation the posts lately seem very troll like.

As you wish, but 'language'? The inferred word was 'stalking'.

That's even more childish than the original post. You would be better deleting it, to stop yourself looking a complete fool as well as crude.

Edited by RobertoS (Sat 11-Jan-14 09:52:30)

In reply to a post by Seansmit17:

So 31st oct was when your local FTTC cab was installed?

Careful not to read too much into someone else's timeline. Some go live within a couple of weeks of being stood, some take months. The cabinet serving me was accepting orders within less than 3 weeks.

Any subject talk about DLA , JSA or other benefits is pointless on this thread. This thread is all about broadband fibre, not all about benefits entitled or not. Pointless thread in my view. The fact is I am self employed (working from home) and do not claim any of these benefits. End of. Be careful who u are accused.

Edited by adslmax (Sat 11-Jan-14 13:57:54)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

.... Pointless thread in my view.....

Totally agree!

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Any subject talk about DLA , JSA or other benefits is pointless on this thread. This thread is all about broadband fibre, not all about benefits entitled or not. Pointless thread in my view. The fact is I am self employed (working from home) and do not claim any of these benefits. End of. Be careful who u are accused.

It certainly is a pointless thread for sure.

As this was a response to me directly is your last sentence a threat?

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Any subject talk about DLA , JSA or other benefits is pointless on this thread. This thread is all about broadband fibre, not all about benefits entitled or not. Pointless thread in my view. The fact is I am self employed (working from home) and do not claim any of these benefits. End of. Be careful who u are accused.

Can I take you back a couple of years to something you put on another forum, just as a guideline to your credibility...

I had upgrade and downgrade on ADSL 88th times since 2002. Upgrade and downgrade 28th times since 2007 with virgin media.

It cost me nearly £4,300 to upgrade, downgrade with ADSL and Virgin Media Cable since 2002 and 2007. My monies going to ran out in my bank!

£4,300 isn't coming from my money! It from government tax money that paid for me!

I am still in talk and discussing with British Telecom Business of possible getting a Leased Line Fibre Optic (1:1) 100Meg down and 100Meg up £799.99 exc vat per month) 12 months contract with no throttle, no traffic management, totally UNLIMITED usages.

This post is a good one too.

I'm sure I could go on but you get the point. That you start that thread saying you'd signed up to an 18 month contract for everything but less than 5 months later were on 30Mb is beyond comedy by the way, but not abnormal if you are to be believed.

Before you hand out thinly veiled threats you may wish to get your own house in order and keep your messages consistent. You could also try simply not behaving like some parody character. I'm sure that if you actually work from home and earn enough to pay those kinds of costs you are doing something requiring a considerably higher level of intelligence and literacy than you show in your online identity.

Interesting, by the way, that in all the posts of yours I can remember where you complain of faults not once do you say that it's affecting your ability to work from home, or forcing you to use backup ADSL to do your job.

Obviously I may be wrong but that seems anomalous, as does your messing with your Plusnet DSL line potentially causing instability. The last thing someone who works from home is going to do is mess with the things that allow them to earn money. I am assuming that your job is something that requires Internet as I struggle to think of many other things that could supply the level of income you appear to think you have.

Just FYI I couldn't care less if you're genuinely disabled and need the welfare safety net, that's exactly what it's there for. The only thing that remote bothers me is the way you conduct yourself online, which is irrelevant to your financial or social status.

As anyone else may have noticed I have rather a thin tolerance for being threatened online, especially given the new, illiberal laws that have been put in place. Such things could seriously harm me and my family.

In fact, stuff it. No ignore button, though I have asked for an ignore to be put in place by staff, and due to my own 'disability' (government considers it as such) I struggle to leave things alone or ignore than 'manually', so so long, and thanks for all the fish TBB. I can't be doing with people who post like they're on 4Chan.

Edited by Ignitionnet (Sat 11-Jan-14 15:52:53)

Yawning big wow!

Long and rambling and only going to end up in a slanging match