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It's been a couple of years the BT Infinity site has said we can get it, yet it just goes up by a couple (3-6) months every time it comes round to that date. I understand it's an estimate, but 2+ years is a long time.
fttc-check Results (The BT site says Im on cabinet 8, although that seems incorrect as it says there are plans for FTTC, so I think I'm on cab P28.)
dslchecker Results
I'm also having issues finding my cabinets location. In the middle of our road (where my house is located) is an estimated 28mbps max. Further down the road it goes lower, and further up seems to stay at 28. I can't find ANY cabinet that will be in range or is labelled P8 or P28. The closest 'green box' (it's next to a phone mast, so I'm not sure if it's anything to do with that rather than broadband) is down the road, although there's no number on either of the two.
If anyone could help with what the current state is, estimated time or where it is, that'd be much appreciated. Thanks.
-Karl
Edited by thebigdolphin1 (Tue 11-Feb-14 17:25:23)
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The DSL checker will tell you which cabinet you are on www.dslchecker.bt.com
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Cabinet P8, however P8 has no planned fibre installations according to the Bt Infinity checker (on the main site).
Not sure if im misunderstanding something here.
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Register (or login) on our website and you will not see this ad.
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How are you searching i.e.
Telephone Number
Postcode
Full Address
Only telephone and full address are to be trusted, particularly as your postcode is split across two cabinets
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The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
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I'm using Full Address as I'm not on a BT Line at the moment, I'm with TalkTalk.
(With the dslchecker.bt.com, the other site only supports postcodes)
Edited by thebigdolphin1 (Tue 11-Feb-14 17:34:56)
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Cabinet P8, however P8 has no planned fibre installations according to the Bt Infinity checker (on the main site).
Not sure if im misunderstanding something here. The dslchecker says that FTTC will be available by March 31.
It also says "FTTC is currently not available on this cabinet due to following reasons:- Sorry it's taking us longer than planned to get your cabinet ready for service. Please bear with us."
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And has been like that for a while 
I was also wondering if there was any way to find my cabinets location, since I cant find any labelled one nearby my house.
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What makes you think you're not connected to Cab 8?
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The fact that the main BT site says I should be getting fibre shortly, and that http://fttc-check.alc.im/results.php?postcode=S104LD shows only P28 is in a phase. As well as that, theres a cabinet like 250-ish meters down (then up) the road from my house labelled '25', so 8 seems further away.
I'm also not sure on how old the dates are from this websites phase statistics (2011?), so any help on checking how long this is going to take until its all up and running or what state my current cab (P8?) is in would be appreciated.
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I cant find any around my house that are labelled either P8 or P28 :/
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Ignore the fttc-check site its data is so out of date it is confusing you.
You have an expected date, which shows it is still in the commercial roll-out list and they are getting to the end of that, so it is a case of wait and use sites www.roadworks.org to see if if thing like cabinet, ducting or pavement chamber works appear
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The cabinet labelled 25, is that the one BatBoy linked to, or is that just coincidence? Does it look like that ne, or any of the ones on this page?
The speed estimates you gave at the start suggest ay least 700 (copper) metres between you and the cabinet serving you. Probably quite a bit more.
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Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
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Thanks for your time and help with this!
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The one BatBoy linked to was the 25 I was talking about, yes.
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There is a cabinet at https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=s104ld+&hl=en&ll=53...
cannot read the number, and it has a fibre twin already, but they can sometimes be installed but take a few months to go live (mine took 4 months from first appearing to going live a couple of weeks ago). If they are making a noise then usually (but not guaranteed to be live), same at http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/cabinet/
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The area behind the cabinet can get FTTC, so why cant I?
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I also managed to add a waypoint to a couple cabinets (Most are FTTC) I found around the area. http://goo.gl/maps/kPolu
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Because Cabinet 8 isn't taking orders yet.
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Why does it take them years just to install something and run it?
All we get with ADSL is 1-3mbps
Edited by thebigdolphin1 (Tue 11-Feb-14 20:24:08)
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Edited by thebigdolphin1 (Tue 11-Feb-14 20:41:26)
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If this is a Broadband Cabinet, and is the same 8 as mine is, then It's 1.4 flipping kilometres of copper wire to my house.
http://goo.gl/maps/LQsRv
Edited by thebigdolphin1 (Tue 11-Feb-14 20:50:55)
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Yeah, your uplift is listed as 3.16 so that's 3.16*3= 9.48 Mbps
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Oh wow.
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The FTTC cabinet almost never has a number on it. You need to find the PCP near it - they almost always do have their number. They are usually well within 50 metres, maximum 100.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
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So my FTTC cabinet isn't going to be 1.4Km away?
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I was talking about the distance between the FTTC cabinet and the PCP. Your PCP is number 8. Or at least, you tell us that is what the BT Wholesale checker says for your address. You have not included it in the screen shot.
A copy and paste is easier anyway, we can work out the layout. Easier to edit out the address that way.
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A random house a few meters away from the 'Cabinet 8' on google maps
http://ravage-craft.net/SC/fjl
Edited by thebigdolphin1 (Tue 11-Feb-14 22:23:30)
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May I ask how you found out my uplift? I cant find any updated one anywhere!
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All looks good then, wherever it is. It could have been a "Never", or 6Mbps. It's a pain waiting, but at least you know it is almost certain to come.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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With slow speeds
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Your estimate is for 28 Mbps, that's not bad is it?
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"Yeah, your uplift is listed as 3.16 so that's 3.16*3= 9.48 Mbps"
And 28mbps isnt that good, considering up my the next road they can get 60+
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It's much better than 9.48 though
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I guess so.
Thanks for helping out.
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Hahahaha
Address STREET SIDE DSLAM CAB NAAHPB, CRIMICAR LANE, SHEFFIELD, S10 4EP on Exchange RANMOOR is served by Cabinet 18
Featured Products
Downstream Line Rate(Mbps)
Upstream Line Rate(Mbps)
Downstream Range(Mbps)
Availability Date
High Low High Low
FTTC Range A (Clean) 80 79.9 20 20 -- Available
FTTC Range B (Impacted) 80 78.5 20 19 -- Available
WBC ADSL 2+ Up to 7.5 -- 5.5 to 12 Available
WBC ADSL 2+ Annex M Up to 7.5 Up to 1 5.5 to 12 Available
ADSL Max Up to 5.5 -- 4 to 8 Available
WBC Fixed Rate 2 -- -- Available
Fixed Rate 2 -- -- Available
Other Offerings
Fibre Multicast -- -- -- Available
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Ah, they actually seem to give each DSLAM in the area a listing, how bizarre, pity they didn't put the actual Cabinet No on them.
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Hey,
Sorry I just found it funny that in your area BT seem to include the DSLAM as an address on the ADSL checker database.
Ignore me, quick question, are you friends with any neighbours or have any relatives closer to the cabinet?
cheers,
flipdee
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Ah ok 
I have a friend who lives a few houses away from Cabinet 8. ?
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How adventurous are you feeling?
Install your telephone line at your friends house, stick up two Ubiquiti wireless devices, recommend http://linitx.com/product/ubiquiti-nanostation-loco-... (stock arriving soon) if you can't wait - http://linitx.com/product/ubiquiti-nanostation-m5-ai...
http://linitx.com/product/ubiquiti-universal-arm-bra... (1 bracket per nanostation required.)
Grab some shielded CAT5E, point both nanostations at each other after configuration (which is pretty easy).
Enjoy the speed your friend's location can provide (BT/whoever) can bill you for your phone line even though it's installed at your friends location.
If you must have PSTN (i.e use your phone line at your own house for making phone calls, you can either buy a gigaset cordless phone system (VOIP compatible - including at least a N300IP base station or a N510IP) - replace the BTOpenreach/VDSL router/hub with a decent one such as a Fritz!Box 7390, plug your telephone line (at your friends house) into the Fritz!Box, setup gigaset system to connect to the Fritz!Box over wireless link.
Or for legacy phone's and/or Sky Box/Fax Machine compatibility use 2 x OBi200 + 1 OBiLine adapter, setup a VOIP bridge instead of the gigaset/Fritz!boz configuration.
Plug all your legacy phones into the Obi200 at your house, magic, fastest possible FTTC + actual phone service!
Anyone's brain fried yet?
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Yeah, I think I'll just stick to waiting for FTTC and then have a slightly-bad speed
If it ends up being too slow, I'll go complain to BT.
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I'm just a little confused as to why my Cabinet is a mile away, despite being surrounded by broadband cabinets.
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What people forget is, when the telephone network was installed, broadband internet was not on the agenda.
I have a number of friends who have a cabinet outside their house/end of their road but are actually exchange only lines because say for example their house was the first in the area to get telephone service and cabinets weren't part of the plan.
Basically what speed you are "entitled" to over the existing copper infrastructure is basically down to LUCK.
Any "DSL" based service is a recycling exercise, reusing old cable technology because the cost implications of replacing the cable exceeds what BT are willing to spend at this point in time.
If all cables were FIBRE, then distance to cabinets/exchanges would not matter in the slightest!
The reason I suggested the wireless solution is:
If you work within the limits of the currently available technology then you either take "control" by any means necessary, or just live with what BT can provide.
Sadly it's about as good as it gets at the moment.
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Ah, they actually seem to give each DSLAM in the area a listing, how bizarre, pity they didn't put the actual Cabinet No on them. errr, you mean like this? Hahahaha
Address STREET SIDE DSLAM CAB NAAHPB, CRIMICAR LANE, SHEFFIELD, S10 4EP on Exchange RANMOOR is served by Cabinet 18
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Ah, I see!
Thanks for that information and helping me out here, flipdee.
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Apologies, I had got slightly confused, thinking that was Cabinet 8, and the BT database listed a "Cabinet 8" DSLAM as connected to cabinet 18.
Thats what i thought was funny, is this normal procedure on the Mainland?
I've yet to see a DSLAM listed in the adsl checker in Northern Ireland, that would make it a bit easier to locate cabinets.
Only see "Telephone Exchange" on searches i've done over here.
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A fibre cabinet without a number, is served by a telephone cabinet with a number 
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Haha, indeed.
It's a pity there was a never a database leak of co-ordinates for all PCP / SCPs.
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There was a Postcode-to-PCP spreadsheet.
Edited by deleted (Wed 12-Feb-14 17:10:34)
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The same spreadsheets that fttc-check.alc.im uses?
i.e. PCP to Postcode December 2011 Part One and Two?
That was still a little fiddly to get actual cabinet location from, i.e. took a little bit of google mapping.
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I used that spreadsheet to map a lot of our cabinets, this was before they made it easy by putting cabinet numbers on the results of the checker. Not all cabinets actually had a number on them either, and mapping the area covered allowed me work out were the cabinet was likely to be located.
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is this normal procedure on the Mainland?
I've yet to see a DSLAM listed in the adsl checker in Northern Ireland, that would make it a bit easier to locate cabinets.
I don't think it happens everywhere here, but certainly often enough.
I *think* the reason is this: BT can only supply a phone line to an address in their database. That means that phone lines destined for "strange" places must first have that place added to the database: building site offices are one example that I've seen.
So, does a DSLAM in a street cabinet need a phone line?
The cabinets certainly perform self-monitoring - checking for environmental conditions such as doors open, and battery status - and reporting of alarms back to the operations centre. It could very well be that BT performs some of this monitoring using a modem on the PSTN, rather than a data channel over the fibre connection.
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There is a telemetry line in most cabinets to monitor the power supply usage, although the are moving to unmetered supply in some areas.
The rest is done over the fibre link
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I'm in a similar situation , my exchange has now gone to Accepting Orders however our cab currently doesn't appear to be allowing orders.
Checking with the BT Infinity checker says the following
You can get BT Broadband now. Although BT Infinity isn't quite ready yet, you can upgrade once it's available.
The speed estimates are as follows
Estimated
download speed range 72-80 mb
Estimated
upload speed range 20mb-20mb
If you go to the end of our drive you can see the BT cab just up the road , this is the one my property is connected to as the NGA email confirmed , am I likely to see these speeds ?
Another question , we currently have Sky phone and BB active however the wire from the pole , drop wire are ancient (drop wire is old grey stuff) and we've had issues before with noise. If I submitted an order for BT Infinity whilst temporarily keeping my Sky phone and BB active would Openreach install a completely new line for me free of charge , my thinking is all new may be a good idea.
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If the exchange has only just gone to 'accepting orders' then it should take the cabinet a couple weeks, maybe a month to get it installed. But heads up man, at least you'll get a nice speed!
There's no sign of any FTTC cabinet near my current one (unless It was round a corner or something), which tells me it's a couple months until something happens for me
Edited by thebigdolphin1 (Wed 12-Feb-14 23:04:59)
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Normally they would just use another pair in the same drop wire.
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Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
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Any particular reason you would go for Infinity, not the Sky equivalent? Or any other ISP?
I ask because we still get people confused by the "Only from BT" adverts.
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Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
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Any particular reason you would go for Infinity, not the Sky equivalent? Or any other ISP?
I ask because we still get people confused by the "Only from BT" adverts.
Was thinking more with BT Sport in mind plus Sky Fibre Pro is £30 I believe , I asked about the wiring because I'm frightened the existing won't be upto the job or provide me with poorer speeds. I'm a novice so not well up on whether I'm talking junk or not LOL.
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Perfect sense . As I said, lots of people still get taken in by the ads.
The Sky 76/20 product is priced to deter I think.
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Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
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Normally they would just use another pair in the same drop wire.
Can anyone confirm this is the case ?
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If, as you mention, you have 'the old grey stuff' then there is no spare pair to be used anyway.
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So by ordering a second line he should get a new cable? (Assuming, as you say, that he has a single-pair one). That makes me wonder if the old one would therefore be replaced, rather than a second drop wire added - making the order for the second line redundant LOL.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
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that leaked sheater was a decisioning sheet at that time 2011 - so that 3 years ago --so not relevant today and certaintly not reality or factual today
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Why, have the cabinets moved?
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that was an initial declsion sheet not the final version
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So, are the cabinets in a different postcode now?
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no the cabinets are in the same place -- but the decisioning around whether they were deployed or the criteria determined at that time may have changed in that 3 year period so the sheet was a moment in tiime
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Sorry for bringing an old thread up, but earlier today I walked passed Cabinet 8 (the cabinet I'm connected to), and saw the Fibre Cabinet. However it had no sticker or any sound coming from it. From what I've heard, they're usually powered for a month or so before offering FTTC services.
I realise nobody here has any information on its current state, but from what's come up in this thread, does it seem like it will be offering FTTC within BT's estimate of '31st March'?
Thanks.
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Wasn't aware it was going to flood the 'fibre broadband' topic page, sorry about that.
Edited by thebigdolphin1 (Wed 12-Mar-14 19:30:58)
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my fttc cabinet went live last month feb 13th when my cabinet changed from May 31st to available and I had fibre for 4 weeks now (tomorrow) and still no sticker label on the fttc cabinet.
Edited by adslmax (Wed 12-Mar-14 19:42:21)
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Hmm, I see. Anything about the sound of it? My cabinet seems to not have any fans active, yet I've heard FTTC fans are usually on a few weeks/months before it's available.
Edited by thebigdolphin1 (Wed 12-Mar-14 19:45:25)
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They are pretty quiet, listen to http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/cabinet/
That is what you will hear, and that was an iPhone mic pressed up to an air vent on a cab, silent if a foot away, or any traffic around.
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The Fibre Cabinet I'm going to be connected to when enabled was TOTALLY silent, no vibrations, no sound at ALL (its in a silent area)
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I can hear my cabinet humming noise when no ones around the footpath. I can hear it the fan.
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I'm just unsure as to whether it's ages away to being available, or literally a switch on and it's ready.
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However it had no sticker
Don't fret about a lack of a sticker ... some do, some don't, it means nowt.
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Well.. No sound.. Is it possible that it could be available shortly?
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If I were you, just add your bt checker address and follow my page, it will email you let u know when your bt wholesale availability checker had changing from ETA date to available now.
https://www.followthatpage.com/ and add this
http://www.dslchecker.bt.com/pls/adsl/ADSLChecker.Te...
just replaced Telno=01234567890 with your phone number
Edited by adslmax (Wed 12-Mar-14 21:06:33)
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I'm not on a BT Phone line, but I found the AddressOutput parameters. Thanks for that
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If it's an ECI cabinet that will be 9 fans IIRC.
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I'm not on a BT Phone line, but I found the AddressOutput parameters. Thanks for that
Care to share the URL, but obviously edit your address.
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dslchecker.bt.com/pls/adsl/ADSLChecker.AddressOutput?URL=&SP_NAME=a%20service%20provider&postcode=POSTCODE&buildingnumber=HOUSE NUMBER&VERSION=29&MS=E&CAP=yes&AEA=N
Edited by thebigdolphin1 (Thu 13-Mar-14 18:31:52)
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Is this good or bad news? (or even related)
http://ravage-craft.net/SC/nk2
Its a little further away from the cabinet, but close to it and Broadband-Related.
Edited by thebigdolphin1 (Thu 13-Mar-14 20:57:25)
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Thanks for the URL, I've created a thread for future reference with the various URL's.
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I'm hoping someone on this thread can help me. I'm looking at buying a house but the broadband is awful (~1mb) and I can see it doesn't currently allow for Fibre.
I've used the various tools online to discover that the house is connected to the Hunslet exchange and is connected to cabinet 40. I'm desperately trying to find out if cabinet 40 is going to be upgraded or not (I run a business from home so it's a dealbreaker in the purchase)
The full address is
4 Goodwood
Leeds
LS10 4TR
and http://fttc-check.alc.im/search/LS104TR states:
"Not being deployed as part of the 66% Commercial Plan"
When I search using https://www.btwholesale.com/includes/adsl/main.html there's no mention of FTTC on the list of services.
This is clearly a bit of a black spot in terms of coverage and I've come across this article about a local campaign group that's related:
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2012/11/fibre-f...
In it it states that:
As part of the recent talks BT initially confirmed that several cabinets on the estate would be eligible for rollout within their existing £2.5bn private investment strategy (i.e. cabinets 22, 40, 43, 60 and 90), which was apparently thanks to a change in the way that BT assessed its cabinets.
Which suggests that this cabinet *will* be upgraded but I've been unable to confirm this.
When I search:
http://www.superfastwestyorkshire.co.uk/postcode-lookup
for the postcode it states that the postcode is due to be upgraded as part of phase 3 (October '14 - March '15) but again, I've not been able to confirm if this is definite or not.
I'm trying to find a definitive response asap so I can decide whether to proceed with the purchase or not but I've not had any luck as yet. Is there anyone on this forum who has access to the spreadsheet that can categorically state whether cabinet 40 is definitely going to be upgraded or not? I realise dates are a bit hit and miss but at this stage I'm much more concerned with whether it is or isn't currently planned to be upgraded.
I'd really appreciate any help anyone may be able to offer on this.
Edited by deleted (Mon 19-May-14 14:44:33)
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I'm trying to find a definitive response Then move on. You're very unlikely to get a definitive answer out of BT on any subject let alone planned work schedules. Even those whose cabinets are on a list don't know the exact date. And some who have a brand spanking new cabinet don't know when it will go live. Could be a week. Could be a month. Could be several months.
So sorry, but you'll have to either take a gamble or look elsewhere.
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Andrue Cope
Brackley, UK
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Thanks for your reply. To be honest I'd be happy just to know if cabinet 40 is definitely on the list to be upgraded or not. I realise timescales are impossible to know but it seems like I ought to be able to find out from somewhere whether it's actually on the list for sure or not?
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It seems like I ought to be able to find out from somewhere whether it's actually on the list for sure or not? There used to be an email address you could use but it was closed due to complaints that the information it gave out wasn't completely accurate (entirely understandable given the size and complexity, but BT still got taken to task about it).
Anyway there's a sticky near the top of this forum and it's possible that Mr Saffron can get the confirmation you want. Maybe. Unfortunately it may be that BT just haven't decided yet
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Andrue Cope
Brackley, UK
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I suspect cab is in the program for delivery within the timescale you have been quoted. N.b. there is no guarantee until its actually delivered
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