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Standard User bowdon
(regular) Sun 02-Mar-14 21:08:17
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When looking for modem/routers do I look for VDSL or VDSL2?


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As the subject really. I'm looking around at different product pages and webpages and I know fibre uses VDSL, but I've also seen VDSL2.. is that a newer technology?

So I'm looking for VDSL compatable devices?

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 02-Mar-14 21:09:52
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FTTC uses VDSL2 not VDSL.
Standard User bowdon
(regular) Sun 02-Mar-14 21:12:57
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Ahh thanks mate.. good job I asked! smile

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(staff) Sun 02-Mar-14 21:15:24
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Re: When looking for modem/routers do I look for VDSL or VDS


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As a further check, are you looking for devices to connect direct to the phone line or to an Openreach modem?

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Standard User bowdon
(regular) Sun 02-Mar-14 21:24:29
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I'm kinda undecided at the moment.. both setups seem to have their advantages and disadvantages. I was going to have a look around at the setups other people have. Like whats the most popular 'other' router or modem/router people use.

I hit gold with my current router that I was using with Be from day 1. Its flashed with good firmware and I've never had a major issue with it. I'd like to get as much reliability in whatever setup people use.

What is your setup?

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Standard User billford
(elder) Sun 02-Mar-14 22:00:54
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Combined modem/routers for VDSL2 are a bit thin on the ground at the moment, and I'm not sure how many support BT's future requirements (eg vectoring).

If you want anything fancy in the way of router facilities you may also have to part with quite a lot of money!

The big advantages with separate units are that you can choose a router that does what you want it to do, and that the modem belongs to BT. So if it goes belly up or gets fried in a lightning strike, they just replace it. Though a spare is handy to have (cheap enough on eBay) to cover the few days that takes.

Some people say that the separate units take up too much space� an attitude I could understand if the modem looked like a computer tower case, but it doesn't. Afaic the only downside of a separate modem is that it takes up yet another 13A socket.

Fwiw I use the OpenReach modem (Huawei ) with an Asus RT-N66U, it does everyhing I want and more.

Bill
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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 02-Mar-14 22:55:24
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In reply to a post by bowdon:
What is your setup?

Same as bill, Openreach modem (Huawei HG612) and an ASUS RT-N66U router. Absolutely brilliant bit of kit for around £110 and has features that you'd otherwise only find in £200+ kit.

James BT Infinity 2 19/09/2012 - Sold 42/6 - Getting 49/8.5 - Sync 53 / 9.5 Mbps @ 470m approx
14 years of broadband (ntl: cable to BT FTTC) - Router: Asus RT-N66U - Modem: Huawei HG612 speedtest
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 02-Mar-14 23:46:03
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In reply to a post by bowdon:
As the subject really. I'm looking around at different product pages and webpages and I know fibre uses VDSL, but I've also seen VDSL2.. is that a newer technology?

So I'm looking for VDSL compatable devices?


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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 03-Mar-14 05:05:31
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i also use an openreach modem and an asus rt-n66u, it is a fantastic router and costs £110 at the moment, i prefer the two box setup because it means you can reboot the router as often as you wish without breaking the connection between the cabinet and the modem so you have no problems with the DLM kicking in and lowering the connection speeds, a single box setup means any time you reboot the modem/router it breaks the connection and may cause DLM to effect the connection speeds
Standard User AndyPandy
(experienced) Mon 03-Mar-14 10:30:08
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Take a look at this Draytek Vigor:

http://www.draytek.co.uk/products/business/vigor-2860

I've used them ever since I got tired of NetGear's failing on me in the very old days. Great kit (but not cheap).

Cheers,
AP

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Standard User Irby
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 03-Mar-14 15:48:22
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In reply to a post by AndyPandy:
Take a look at this Draytek Vigor:

http://www.draytek.co.uk/products/business/vigor-2860

I've used them ever since I got tired of NetGear's failing on me in the very old days. Great kit (but not cheap).

Cheers,
AP


Tempted by a return to Draytek myself. This doesn't appear to support VDSL2, problem?

Migrating to BE
Standard User billford
(elder) Mon 03-Mar-14 15:53:24
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It should do:
� our new router/firewall which can support either ADSL or VDSL (BT Infinity�/FTTC).
They've probably used ADSL and VDSL as generic descriptions without bothering about a list of supported version numbers.

Worth checking though, it's a lot of money to part up with.

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Standard User bowdon
(regular) Mon 03-Mar-14 15:57:40
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I think getting an openreach modem and seperate router would be the best solution. Though is there a way to request this setup?

I noticed on the bt forum some people are complaining about port forwarding problems on the HH5 .. is this a big problem? If so, and reading that thread it seems to have been an issue since HH3. What's peoples thoughts on it?

Also is it possible to use the HH5 as just the modem and attach a router to it?

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Standard User AndyPandy
(experienced) Mon 03-Mar-14 16:41:48
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Further down the page in the blurb: Compatible with all UK variants of ADSL (including ADSL2+ and Annex M), VDSL and VDSL2

Cheers,
AP

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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 03-Mar-14 19:15:33
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In reply to a post by bowdon:
I noticed on the bt forum some people are complaining about port forwarding problems on the HH5 .. is this a big problem? If so, and reading that thread it seems to have been an issue since HH3. What's peoples thoughts on it?
The Home Hubs are very basic. My HH3 was thrown in the cupboard on the day of install, about 15mins after the engineer left.

No you can't sadly use a HH5 as a modem. frown

James BT Infinity 2 19/09/2012 - Sold 42/6 - Getting 49/8.5 - Sync 53 / 9.5 Mbps @ 470m approx
14 years of broadband (ntl: cable to BT FTTC) - Router: Asus RT-N66U - Modem: Huawei HG612 speedtest
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Tue 04-Mar-14 10:30:22
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+1 hg612 + asus n66u

Lots more versatility and different router firmwares are available for the asus which is very configurable and has very good wireless.
Standard User AndyPandy
(experienced) Tue 04-Mar-14 11:51:22
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The Draytek, and many other routers can do this. You're looking for an RJ45 WAN port, which will accept the bridged connection from the BT modem.

Cheers,
AP

ZeN Office
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Standard User bowdon
(regular) Tue 04-Mar-14 14:07:47
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It's a pity there isn't an alternative to the openreach modem. It's kinda bad that people are having to buy second hand ones off a famous auction site. I'm not sure who's responsible for marketing the modems, but they are missing out on selling them direct to the customer.

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