FTTC vs. FTTC/P

In the openreach spreadsheers, some exchanges are marked simply as FTTC, and others are marked as FTTC/P.

What does the latter signify? That FTTPoD will be available? That FTTP will be run to multi-tenant dwellings?

Cheers,
AP

Some premises will be FTTC and others will be FTTP. It is either/or. FTTPoD is separate and won't currently show for most exchanges.

not quite that simple - as each cab area is still subject to criteria regardlkess - so they may be some that are neither and not covered

So a household could only get FTTP in some instances? That doesn't sound right...

What would define those who would/could get FTTP?

Cheers,
AP

Sorry, yes, either or or neither.

Yes. Some houses will only be FTTP. But that is a benefit. FTTP has the same packages at the same costs as FTTC but also has additional options and better future proofing. There is no disadvantage I can think of for FTTP (except that a number of ISPs haven't yet started supplying packages for FTTP for some reason).

What are the likely criteria for FTTP over FTTC?

I imagine, as I'm served by a drop wire, what I'd be FTTC, however further into the estate I don't see drop wires, so perhaps they'll get FTTP via existing underground trunking?

I don't see BT installing the fibre for FTTP to every home in the rollout, so I presume that's "on demand"?

Cheers,
AP

Short connections direct to an exchange may get FTTP (or may get FTTC or nothing).

Long connections with no cabinet may go FTTP if there is a strong business case.

BT might decide for reasons best known to them that FTTP is better for a particular area - based on some sort of planning/business case that they are unlikely to share with the rest of us.

My analogue phone line comes in via a duct but when BT installed my FTTP they ran it from a pole. The fibre passes under the pavement outside my property. My duct terminates under one of those pavement hatches with a concrete cover. All of the fibre gear is in there but they decided it would be too much work to attempt to blow the fibre down the duct so they ran it from the pole instead. Being a fibre glass pole instead of a wooden one was another can of worms as they couldn't climb it and had to bring in a small convoy of vehicles to do the work. I don't think they'll recoup the installation costs of my FTTP any time this century.

Did they run the fibre when you ordered or did they run it to your house whether you placed an order or not? No experience of FTTP area (yet) so wondering if they do all the work and then wait for you to order of if they only complete the work once an order is placed?

Fibre is ran to the top of the last pole (i.e. where fibre manifold is installed) or last pavement chamber and only when you order is the final few metres ran to the home.

As I'm on fttp in Milton Keynes, my experience and that of neighbours, is that the line is only installed when your order has been accepted.

I too do not see the business case for fttp installations unless the site is a new build or has modern under ground ducting and access points in every house.

This is my second fttp to the same premises. I was on an fttp test back in early 2000 which was 10Mbps each way but that never became a commercial product.When I signed up to fttp last year, Openreach installed another fibre from the cabinet to my house. At least this has become a commercial product even if my ISP insists it is still a trial.

So in an FTTC/P area, what would dictate whether an area within it is FTTC or FTTP?

I'm in a smallish village, with its own exchange. There is an industrial park, school etc.

I'd love BT to install FTTP for me, but I'm not sure on the liklihood...?

Cheers,
AP

If you are looking at the original 2011 leaked spreadsheets, then a large proportion of the FTTP areas have been changed to FTTC.

I am not sure that anyone outside of the BT planners can answer that question. It will be based on their desktop planning but it is likely to include a very large number of variables before a final answer is given.

For our exchange most of the cabs were deployed as FTTC (6 or 7) but the lines connected to one cab are destined for FTTP. So no fibre cab is installed. The issue that I have is that the FTTC cabs have been in place and available for nearly 2 years while we are still on ADSL2+ and are waiting for FTTP which seem to be progressing very slowly if at all.

If on a non-LLU phone line you can get your cabinet number using this checker. If LLU, use the full address option, not the pure postode one.

You may also get FTTC speed estimates.

Given the cabinet number it is possible some posters may be able to give you the 2011 plan for it. That may have been changed by now, but "a certain person" may be able to give the current position.

In reply to a post by AndyPandy:

So in an FTTC/P area, what would dictate whether an area within it is FTTC or FTTP?

Not sure BT themselves know going by their disastrous deployments of FTTP into areas that've ended up being insanely expensive to deploy to.

The commercial modelling as a whole is debatable, which is to be expected I guess from such a large programme. The decisions are only as good as the data that goes into them.

I'm on SMLN cab 2, however I doubt it'll be in 2011 plans - it's BDUK funded and the survey isn't until next month.

Cheers,
AP