In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

but it makes little business sense for BT to rip out M41's they have only just purchased,

From some of the kerfuffle on BT's public subsidy for BDUK, I recall that the useful life of the electronics within the cabinet were set at 8 years, even if the cabinet had a longer life.

That implies that BT expect to change the DSLAM anyway.

Worst case scenario that they have to replace all MSANs, I don't think they are the most expensive bits of kit in the world. You can buy the Huawei MA5616 for $2,000 from some Chinese retailers.

In reply to a post by WWWombat:

I can't say I've seen many ECI cabinets at all. Everything seems to be a Huawei.

We have around 125 ECI cabinets on my map, even towns nearby that I haven't mapped have ECI cabinets. But I did see a Huewie cabinet being installed in Wingham the other day, which is the only local one I can think of.

In reply to a post by WWWombat:

I can't say I've seen many ECI cabinets at all. Everything seems to be a Huawei.

ECI on my exchange, Whitley Bay, enabled at the start of this year. Exchange next door, North Shields, partially enabled though are Huwaei.

its not hard.

Either.

stopped ECI cabinet rollout for a couple of months whilst some testing is done (no need to test for several months), most likely the V41's have a mode where they operate like M41's anyway. Dont forget if Openreach do rollout V41's they have to do this testing anyway. The difference been if they change they now have more cabinets to swap out, thats just plain silly to carry on rolling out equipment you know you going to replace. unless of course you know it wont be replaced because is no plans to put vectoring on ECI hence my earlier comments. (except maybe at end of useful shelf life ie. 8 years).

Or used Huawei in those ECI areas whilst testing carried out so no delays in rollout.

Its hardly rocket science.

Question to you, what makes you confident they will rollout to ECI as well, what reasons?

Edited by Chrysalis (Wed 26-Mar-14 22:30:30)

In reply to a post by AndyHCZ:

I disagree.

What should Openreach have done? Stopped their FTTC rollout when ECI/Huawei introduced their vectoring MSANs?

They cannot just suddenly start installing completely new equipment without testing it first. It's not a simple process when you have different manufacturer's equipment in the exchange like the OLT/L2 Switch. It takes months of testing to ensure that once rolled out nationwide, there are no issues.

There is also the commercial justification - what if the new MSANs were significantly more expensive?

Ok so.

which is cheaper?

Buy the cheap MSAN's first and then buy the significantly more expensive soon after before end of shelf life to replace them.
Or buy the more expensive ones first.

To me #2 is cheaper, #1 is only preferable if you are an accountant who cant think past the current financial year.

There is plenty of evidence openreach cant adapt to new technology well, the bodged FTTP Rollout is a very clear sign of that for a start. Rolling out tech years after other countries do so is another sign. They just a slow moving company, it is how it is.

Complete novice so go easy.

I've read about Vectoring , are people saying Vectoring won't be implemented on ECI cabs because our exchange has just got FTTC , cabs started being installed from October 13 and everyone I've seen is a ECI 128 including the one I'm connected to.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

We already know BT is thick skinned if they did pull of such a stunt I think they wouldnt even flinch at the backlash.

I think they'd deserve a harsher backllash if they refused to roll out vectoring for Huawei cabinets just because HCI ones can't have it yet.

You may as well say they should limit all FTTC and FTTP to 512k till everyone gets ADSL faster than that. The logic is just as illogical!

if they did that I would expect a price differential as compensation. My point was BT would probably sell both as the same product.