I know what you are saying, but there is nothing magic about the master socket itself. It is the wiring from where the line hits the house that matters, wrt length and quality.

Using the existing wiring to place the master where the extension currently is does nothing at all to help. He may as well just use a dangly filter at the extension. Or for neatness, a filtered extension faceplate such as the ADSL Nation xtf ones.

Even with the HWS the original intention was to install a VDSL2 socket at the far end, leaving the master untouched except for the installation of the interstitial plate. It was user demand that led to the HWS being used to move the master.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Illegal of course, but yes.

The problem with that is that he may as well just use the extension in the first place, which could be on cruddy cabling, so long as he has the ring wire disconnected at the master.

The whole point of the way it is done on an engineer install, or as I described, is to eliminate the existing wiring, as even CW1308 is not good on VDSL2, never mind some of the stuff that builders or house wiring electricians sometimes install. Good wiring is more important than on ADSLx.

This is one of the factors covered by the "impacted" estimates once people are all doing self-installs.

Yes, poor cabing may cause a problem but assuming the cable is not the cheap stranded stuff, the speed issues are more likely to be caused if there are other extensions coming from the same master socket, hence why I said to do away with the current master socket and all the extensions of it, and move the master socket.

As for whether it is illegal, is there any proof of this? Of course they will charge you to remedy it if you make a mess of things, but nobody is going to get prosecuted over rearranging their internal wiring.

well yes but you cant run an FTTC modem or router at an extension socket.... or can you?

Yes you can, just like you can run ADSLx.

Edit for clarification. An unfiltered extension, as they all are until a filtered faceplate of any description is fitted at the master. Given a filtered faceplate at the master, then for the extension to be used for broadband it must be connected to the unfiltered IDCs on the back of the filter plate, and a filter fitted at the extension if a phone or other kit is needed there.

Edit 2. Did I say clarification? LOL. It does explain, but even reading it myself isn't a piece of cake .

Edited by RobertoS (Sun 03-Aug-14 19:49:16)

How it is two separate lines isn't it?

so of a 2 pair cable orange and white are PSTN and green and black are VDSL!

The only way I could think it could be done is by both PSTN and VDSL on one pair or changing extension pair from PSTN pair to VDSL pair.

Just noticed that the 2 IDC on the VDSL faceplate are actually for extension not to supply... woopsie!!

But still why would you want that and also have do you then plug the vdsl modem into a phone jack and not an RJ11

Edited by mlmclaren (Sun 03-Aug-14 19:31:46)

You can run VDSL from an extension but there will be significant loss of sync speed. If you are capped at 40/10 and the line is capable of a lot more then this may not be a problem. But if the line is only capable of 40 in the first place then this is going to be an issue.

It does not run over 2 pairs of wires. It runs over a single pair, same as ADSL and is filtered using the faceplace or a normal xDSL dangly filter.

In reply to a post by troublegum:

It does not run over 2 pairs of wires. It runs over a single pair, same as ADSL and is filtered using the faceplace or a normal xDSL dangly filter.

Ok, so for those of you restricted to using FTTC because of availability fair play, But personally I thought FTTC sounded rubbish in the first place but now that I learn its still over one pair and you still rely on a filter, I will not be encouraging many people to get it over virgin unless they have no choice.

Sorry but wth...

True, adding that the same applies on 80/20 .

Unless the user is close enough to the cabinet to have a lot of spare potential bandwidth, wiring length and quality are far more important than on ADSLx.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

True, adding that the same applies on 80/20 .

Unless the user is close enough to the cabinet to have a lot of spare potential bandwidth, wiring length and quality are far more important than on ADSLx.

Indeed, but the ISPs are only doing self install on the 40/10 packages aren't they?

The two IDCs on the interstitial VDSL faceplate provide a normal unfiltered line bearing both VDSL2 and phone service, just like old-style filtered faceplates from Openreach and several independent manufacturers.