FTTX arriving 12/14. Will it come to my cab-and where is it?

Hey!

According to Openreach, FTTC/P fibre is coming to my exchange (EAMTS) by December, presumably part of the BDUK scheme.

We're a small village with only 12 cabinets, I believe, and I can't determine whether I'm able to get it when it launches. So I have a few questions if anyone is able to assist!

1) First off, where is my cabinet?! I've looked everywhere for it, followed lines and telegraph poles but can't seem to locate it! It's #5.

2) I came across some data outlining the BDUK rollout for my exchange, seemingly stating that only 3 of the 12 were to be included (phase 13a/13b). My cabinet doesn't appear to be included, yet it strangely has an uplift value listed unlike any of the others. Could this be an indication that it may still be upgraded commercially, i.e. not part of BDUK? I spoke to BDUK about this and they were extremely reluctant to tell me anything, as it's apparently their policy to keep quiet until surveys are completed/additional funding is secured, etc...

3) My exchange is listed as FTTC/P. Does this mean I may be able to get a FTTP connection or is it not that simple?

If anyone can shed light on the situation, that'd be fantastic. Happy to help if you need any more info. Cheers!

Its the luck of the draw. Only time will tell

Cabinet areas get one of three things

1. FTTC
2. FTTP
3. Nothing

Until it is delivered and live the plans can change.

The Mattishall l exchange has a lot less than 12 cabinets. Believe there are five.

The two largest cabinets look likely to get FTTC, and their might be some EO lines that get FTTP, Cabinet 5 is smaller cabinet on that exchange. That does not mean you won't get fibre, just nothing has been put onto the drawing board yet i.e. a later phase may deliver something, it may not.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Cabinet areas get one of three things

1. FTTC
2. FTTP
3. Nothing

Until it is delivered and live the plans can change.

The Mattishall l exchange has a lot less than 12 cabinets. Believe there are five.

The two largest cabinets look likely to get FTTC, and their might be some EO lines that get FTTP, Cabinet 5 is smaller cabinet on that exchange. That does not mean you won't get fibre, just nothing has been put onto the drawing board yet i.e. a later phase may deliver something, it may not.

Hey, thanks for your reply!

I thought there were 12 cabinets on Mattishall, at least there were according to the June 2014 PCP document but that might be wrong.

I have Cabinet 1 and 2 as part of BDUK Phase 13a and Cabinet 9 as part of BDUK Phase 13b. What I find most puzzling, however, is that a small selection of postcodes for Cabinet 5 (which happened to be clustered in one concentrated location) have uplift data (5.65x) listed in the document, whilst others do not. Is this an indication of anything? FTTP perhaps? Or a commercial solution rather than a funded one?

The others are probably EO clusters

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

The others are probably EO clusters

Sorry, to clarify, the other what?

EO = Exchange Only

This means there lines go straight to the telephone exchange then to a cabinet.

May be seen as a cab number like E_9 for example not really a cabinet, just denotes the bundle of wires

That explains why when I used your cool web home site fibre checker before it said cabinet E_9 and other things like that but wasn't sure what they meant as I thought that wasn't a standard way of numbering cabinets so assumed it was a glitch or something. Good to know what it means now.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

May be seen as a cab number like E_9 for example not really a cabinet, just denotes the bundle of wires

No, I meant what did you mean when you said 'other'. Did you mean the other cabinets on the exchange or the other properties on Cabinet 5?

A postcode may be served by more than one cabinet, and also have some lines direct to the exchange. A mix like that seems to be what you are seeing.

No, maybe I'm not explaining myself properly. I plotted all the postcodes connected to Cabinet 5 and this is the result. The blue pins have uplift data recored in the June PCP document (5.65x) whereas the red ones don't. I was wondering if this was perhaps indicative of anything.

My postcode has 1 EO line�but it's not mine.

What I am saying is that some properties in each of those postcodes could be connected to different cabinets, and some could be EO.

Edited by RobertoS (Sat 30-Aug-14 22:47:40)

5 traditional PCP cabinets and then Exchange only lines in groups

E_1, E_2, E_3, E_4, E_5, E_6, E_7, E_8, E_10, E_11, E_12

P5 is
NR20 3NW
NR20 3AA
NR20 3NP
NR20 3NL
NR20 3NN
NR20 3NR
NR20 3PU
NR20 3QX
NR20 3PS
NR20 3RZ
NR20 3PT
Only two of these are pure cabinet 5 postcodes.

Does the uplift mean anything, it might but I would not put any hope into it.


What are the cabinet numbers the original poster believes are on the exchange?

The uplift in the 2010 and 2011 spreadsheets seemed fairly reliable for lines connected to the particular cabinet.

I'm not sure how the OP is finding out which lines are connected to his cabinet however. From the list you just gave the area looks like a spider's web. Two pure postcodes, and nine with others and/or EO.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

What are the cabinet numbers the original poster believes are on the exchange?

That's fascinating then because two of the postcodes (LH and SL) in my document, which would be EO lines, are listed as being part of BDUK Phase 13b. That's rather unusual, isn't it? For them to include EO lines in the upgrade?

You don't happen to know the location of cab 5 do you?

Edited by deleted (Sat 30-Aug-14 23:41:01)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

What I am saying is that some properties in each of those postcodes could be connected to different cabinets, and some could be EO.

According to the BT Wholesale checker, I'm connected to Cabinet 5, not an EO line.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

The uplift in the 2010 and 2011 spreadsheets seemed fairly reliable for lines connected to the particular cabinet.

I'm not sure how the OP is finding out which lines are connected to his cabinet however. From the list you just gave the area looks like a spider's web. Two pure postcodes, and nine with others and/or EO.

On the BT Wholesale checker, it tells you the cabinet your line is connected to.

you need t check with the BDUK county yuo are connected to -- but seems as from what you said PCP 5 is nt value for money and will not have been buit under project -- 5 x uplift is low , it either suggest spread cab or cab already cenreal in exchange there good adsl 2 and not goog value in terms of uplift

In reply to a post by Fastman2:

you need t check with the BDUK county yuo are connected to -- but seems as from what you said PCP 5 is nt value for money and will not have been buit under project -- 5 x uplift is low , it either suggest spread cab or cab already cenreal in exchange there good adsl 2 and not goog value in terms of uplift

I've already tried speaking to them and haven't been able to get anything more than a canned response from them. I think the cabinet is a spread cabinet�it covers a very large area of the village.

I've just done some calculations and based on the postcode range, it covers a 1.64km area�not sure how that sizes up. My current speed is usually around 17mbps, so multiplied by the uplift brings 96mbps which seems about right (if not moreso) for an FTTC connection, does it not?

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

5 traditional PCP cabinets and then Exchange only lines in groups

E_1, E_2, E_3, E_4, E_5, E_6, E_7, E_8, E_10, E_11, E_12

P5 is
NR20 3NW
NR20 3AA
NR20 3NP
NR20 3NL
NR20 3NN
NR20 3NR
NR20 3PU
NR20 3QX
NR20 3PS
NR20 3RZ
NR20 3PT
Only two of these are pure cabinet 5 postcodes.

Does the uplift mean anything, it might but I would not put any hope into it.


What are the cabinet numbers the original poster believes are on the exchange?

Thanks for this information. Interestingly, the postcodes you provided refer to the northern cluster in this image, which is where I live. These are also the postcodes that have uplift data. The cabinet appears to cover a 1.6km area but I still can't quite locate it.

The exchange is located amongst the southern cluster, so for those to be exchange only lines would probably make sense, I'd have thought.

Edited by deleted (Sun 31-Aug-14 00:16:29)

But you keep asking about lots of other places, not just you own line, and why some have uplift figures and some don't. I've been trying to explain to you, but I don't think you are following what I have been saying.

Re BDUK, they do sometimes upgrade some EO lines, by installing a cabinet just outside the exchange. Not necessarily all of them, as it will depend on the routing of the cables.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

But you keep asking about lots of other places, not just you own line, and why some have uplift figures and some don't. I've been trying to explain to you, but I don't think you are following what I have been saying.

Re BDUK, they do sometimes upgrade some EO lines, by installing a cabinet just outside the exchange. Not necessarily all of them, as it will depend on the routing of the cables.

I was trying to find out why some postcodes connected to cabinet 5 have uplift figures and some don't. I thought it might be indicative of something, that's all! But it turns out the ones that don't are EO lines.

However, it still seems odd that there's uplift data there when the cabinet doesn't appear to be part of the BDUK scheme.

Uplift is flawed for calculating like fttc speed. Distance is better

As i said some EO lines may get fttp

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Uplift is flawed for calculating like fttc speed. Distance is better

I know, as I said I'm trying to establish why some postcodes have uplift data and some don't. I'm wondering if that's perhaps indicative that postcodes with uplift data will be getting fibre.

As far as speed goes, do you know where Cabinet 5 is? I only know the locations of PCP1 and PCP2. The other three seem to be totally MIA.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

As i said some EO lines may get fttp

I know, it just seems strange that my postcode has an uplift figure but not all of the others do.