FTTP Providers

Hi,

I'm looking at buying a house on a development which is getting native FTTP. Are BT the only provider of this? Reading through the news articles it seems that Infinity 3 and 4 are £35/£50 on top of the line rental of £16.99, which seems very expensive when I'm used to paying Sky £7.50 for my 'regular' broadband (although admittedly this is shockingly slow...)

Thanks!

If Infinity 3 and 4 are too expensive then choose one of Infinity 1 or 2. All 4 are available on FTTP.

You get what you pay for!

You said it yourself!

I know of very few other ISP's that do supply Native FTTP but I can assure you their prices will make you eyes water, specially if you think BT's are unreasonably expensive.

It's a problem caused by the enforced competition rubbish we have, whereby there isn't really competition just loads of companies reselling one of the companies' products.

FTTP is a tiny proportion of the rollout, but is available to ISPs at the same prices as FTTC, with almost identical ordering systems etc. The differences are purely technical.

So, instead of a VDSL router, and no Openreach modem, as most ISPs go for these days, you need a special openreach modem (not an FTTC one) or "ONT". You always get the promised speed (the max sync for FTTC) so even if you order the lower FTTC matching products, you will get exactly 40/10 or 80/20 no matter what.

These other ISPs go "Hmm, but this is a tiny proportion of the market, and means training our staff to deal with a different set of calls. Let's just not bother" and suddenly BT is your only FTTP isp.

So from that logic... ISP's that take part in FTTP will automatically install FTTP if available for a service that might originally be designed for FTTC.

The business grade providers will generally supply it, other than that you'd be looking at those that come under the BT Consumer umbrella, so BT Retail and Plusnet. With Plusnet, you'd need to join with ADSL then apply to the FTTP trial.

Important - You said getting, FTTP roll-outs are often not the fastest thing with some people waiting a year or two after seeing work start but then stop. The build rate is improving though.

If budgets are tight then Infinity 1 bought when they have the reduced price and voucher offers will be the cheapest option.

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The offers are usually quite good and if you go through a cashback site it can make a difference

It really is worth the money - no DLM for a start would tempt most people

If you pay for phone 12 months in advance with BT Call Saver you save on line rental

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Important - You said getting, FTTP roll-outs are often not the fastest thing with some people waiting a year or two after seeing work start but then stop. The build rate is improving though.

Will be 4 years wait since they started ours come October LOL.
Don't time fly

Saying that BT have been busy clearing up redundant cables from their underground networks between our area and the exchange, according to roadworks.org.
So maybe it was a bit over crowed or blocked.

So hopefully not long now LOL.

Paul

It's all being put in as the development is being built, and there won't be any copper going down at all, so if they don't keep up with the houses going up then no-one will have any internet or phone at all!

Plusnet seems to have some good half price deals at the moment, so I'll see which have better deals out of them and BT once I'm looking at moving in.

Thanks all for the replies.

I don't believe Plusnet will be able to offer an FVA voice service over FTTP.

It's not a property on one of those new estates in Wokingham is it perchance ?

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:

So from that logic... ISP's that take part in FTTP will automatically install FTTP if available for a service that might originally be designed for FTTC.

There are no areas that have both FTTP and FTTC (short of where FTTP on demand has been put in).

FTTP is available in the FTTC speed grades, if you order Infinity 1 in an FTTP area, you will get FTTP at 40/10.

There are no areas that have both FTTP and FTTC (short of where FTTP on demand has been put in).

Nit picking I know, but there are exchange areas that have both, I think the correct statement would be .....
'If you have FTTC to your cabinet, you won't be getting FTTP'.

Also Andrew seems to think differently.

While until a few months ago everyone was correct, as Surrey started to deploy limited amounts of FTTP to areas that otherwise had slow FTTC this rule has changed. Have forgotten which cab/sub area this was but can point people to an area in Scotland

Address 109 OAKHILL GRANGE, ABERDEEN, AB15 5EA on Exchange ABERDEEN WEST is served by Cabinet 12

Which seems to have decent FTTC and FTTP in WBC format rather than FOD

In reply to a post by nemeth782:

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:

So from that logic... ISP's that take part in FTTP will automatically install FTTP if available for a service that might originally be designed for FTTC.

There are no areas that have both FTTP and FTTC (short of where FTTP on demand has been put in).

FTTP is available in the FTTC speed grades, if you order Infinity 1 in an FTTP area, you will get FTTP at 40/10.

OK cheers that answered that question!

Have a look at the two new estates in Wokingham off the London Rd, all being fitted with FTTP/ONTE/BBU etc before they are even moved in to. No copper at all.

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:

You get what you pay for!

You said it yourself!

I know of very few other ISP's that do supply Native FTTP but I can assure you their prices will make you eyes water, specially if you think BT's are unreasonably expensive.

IDNet is doing FTTP
http://www.idnet.net/data_products/fttp.php

Depending on usage not utterly insane...

In reply to a post by nemeth782:

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:

So from that logic... ISP's that take part in FTTP will automatically install FTTP if available for a service that might originally be designed for FTTC.

There are no areas that have both FTTP and FTTC (short of where FTTP on demand has been put in).

FTTP is available in the FTTC speed grades, if you order Infinity 1 in an FTTP area, you will get FTTP at 40/10.

Ah but your wrong there, take a look at that address on the DSL Checker: DSL CheckerFTTP+FTTC you can have both, but it depends on the situation and what its being used for

Paul

It's Radstone Fields on the north of Brackley in Northamptonshire.

In reply to a post by therioman:

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:

You get what you pay for!

You said it yourself!

I know of very few other ISP's that do supply Native FTTP but I can assure you their prices will make you eyes water, specially if you think BT's are unreasonably expensive.

IDNet is doing FTTP
http://www.idnet.net/data_products/fttp.php

Depending on usage not utterly insane...

My point of that comment was that the customer is not happy about paying £50 for FTTP and you have advised using a provider that charges around £90 for the equivalent?

well if theres no copper in the area i don't how you could get fttc.

In reply to a post by epyon:

well if theres no copper in the area i don't how you could get fttc.

Not too sure if that was directed to me but what has that got to do with my comment?
nemeth782 said I quote "There are no areas that have both FTTP and FTTC", where I posted an address where it had both FTTC as well as FTTP.

But yes, if there is no copper lines you won't be able to get anything apart from FTTP.

Paul

If you work out the price per Mbps, then FTTP will be a lot cheaper.

I think it's pretty cheap for the speeds you can get and unlimited usage.

Paul

That a telephone exchange building, each of which are special cases and should not be confused with customers. premises

No Customer premise has both FTTP and FTTC at present ( except where FTTPoD has been made available).

In reply to a post by kitcat:

Paul

That a telephone exchange building, each of which are special cases and should not be confused with customers. premises

No Customer premise has both FTTP and FTTC at present ( except where FTTPoD has been made available).

I know, it was due to they said exactly "There are no areas that have both FTTP and FTTC" which was why I said that and also said it depends on the situation there was no mention of customers or exchanges by them.
I basically showed a cabinet can in fact support both FTTC and FTTP at the same time, but its hardly going to happen for customers.

Paul

There are some examples of premises that can have both GEA-FTTC and GEA-FTTP, but we're talking handfuls. Number 115 at AB15 5EA being one example.