4th member of FTTC/PCP family incoming

More for RobertoS as I know he likes these cabinet pictures, a stand-off shell is being built here this week as the PCP is full making 4 BT cabinets in the node.

I'll get some pictures and put them up when the construction is done as I would imagine this is uncommon.

Any of you have any neighbours that complain about how unsightly a single PCP and Huawei/ECI DSLAM are, you can show them those pictures and point out to them it could be worse.

Can't say I envy the person at #34, just as well that's their kitchen not their living room in the picture.

Should be done by Friday. Cheers.

Ooooh, nice

Paul

Nice is a matter of opinion. Was passing earlier.

http://s4.postimg.org/ney5d0zf1/Shell.jpg

Will put some more up once the work is done and barriers removed, so that people can enjoy the magnificence of the street furniture.

Ahh,

You've actually answered I query I hadn't even asked. I saw one of these get installed in Cambuslang, Glasgow and wondered what the heck it was! Considering it was in an industrial estate, I was surprised to see an extension built on.

There's probably a bunch of other stuff besides just telco jumper blocks in the cabinet you're talking about which would explain the lack of room

Yeah. Theres a small DSLAM installed alongside this cabinet in Cambuslang, but they came back and added this extension.

I'll see if I can get a photo when Im leaving work tonight and share it here to let others see it for reference and compare.

There has been one of those in Basingstoke for about a year now, but it looks like Google maps hasn't updated to show it.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

There has been one of those in Basingstoke for about a year now, but it looks like Google maps hasn't updated to show it.

Meh, only one DSLAM, must try harder. Must be a lot of premises on that cabinet.

*Checks*

Hmm only 524 apparently. Colour me confused. Took ~600 phone lines and 400 FTTC lines to max out our one.

EDIT: Which, given the cabinet apparently passes 105 premises is a lot of phone lines and FTTC per household

Was there some new build that went onto that PCP Sir?

Edited by deleted (Wed 10-Jun-15 17:09:52)

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

There has been one of those in Basingstoke for about a year now, but it looks like Google maps hasn't updated to show it.

Meh, only one DSLAM, must try harder. Must be a lot of premises on that cabinet.

*Checks*

Hmm only 524 apparently. Colour me confused. Took ~600 phone lines and 400 FTTC lines to max out our one.

EDIT: Which, given the cabinet apparently passes 105 premises is a lot of phone lines and FTTC per household

Was there some new build that went onto that PCP Sir?

Not seen one of those cabinets before, one of our FTTC Cabinets support 775 lines, and I have seen higher in a few places, don't recall having pictures, lets see if I can get Google Maps of it.

Paul

Unavoidably messy.

http://s16.postimg.org/hjiwr2x5h/Cab_Family.jpg

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

Unavoidably messy.

http://s16.postimg.org/hjiwr2x5h/Cab_Family.jpg

I have seen worse

What's that fibre cabinet on the right, is it not installed yet and just resting on the ground, due to it looks taller than the fibre cabinet on the left.

Paul

Found that cabinet that has 775 lines in it...

https://goo.gl/maps/59B4Z

PCP Cabinets on the left (yes two of them) and the FTTC Cabinet on the right.

Paul

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

What's that fibre cabinet on the right, is it not installed yet and just resting on the ground, due to it looks taller than the fibre cabinet on the left.

They are both active. One is full, the other has 2 line cards filled and was awaiting the PCP extension before it could have more lines connected to it.

The ground isn't flat, a fair bit of an incline.

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

What's that fibre cabinet on the right, is it not installed yet and just resting on the ground, due to it looks taller than the fibre cabinet on the left.

They are both active. One is full, the other has 2 line cards filled and was awaiting the PCP extension before it could have more lines connected to it.

The ground isn't flat, a fair bit of an incline.

Yeah, just noticed on the pavement the slant, also noticed its cabinet 82 (looks like 82)

Paul

Indeed. Hunslet cabinet 82.

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2013/12/strong-...

Was there any reasoning around btor's initial rejection that it wasn't commercially viable.
Seems really strange especially when it's got 400+ lines.
Many cabs have way less than that and have been fibre-izd

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

Found that cabinet that has 775 lines in it...

https://goo.gl/maps/59B4Z

PCP Cabinets on the left (yes two of them) and the FTTC Cabinet on the right.

Paul

Are you sure the cab on the right is in use ? as i dont think so ( no bolts to shut the doors) Also all lines would fit in the new cab , sometimes the old shell is just left in place.

I was just going to say the very same Bert, in the old days it would have been marked MT.

That image is dated July 2014. Do you think Openreach haven't got around to enabling it yet?

Is that Marketing Terminology, or Mouse Tenancy?

The records indicated it passed 105 premises.

Hmm.. bizarre.
I wonder if thats the stats BT use, rather than number of lines.. ??

Yes, it is. Using number of active lines would mess up the numbers for VM covered areas.

Its enabled and supplies fibre to 775 lines.

That was the reason I posted those cabinets to show the cabinet type that had that many lines, it was fibered up in March 2012.

Proof: 89 YORK RD, ILFORD, IG1 3AQ on Exchange ILFORD CENTRAL is served by Cabinet 21

Paul

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

The records indicated it passed 105 premises.

Nope 775 lines are connected though that FTTC Cabinet.

BT Wholesale Exchange Information.

Exchange Name: Ilford Central
Exchange Code: LNILC

• Cabinet: 21
  
  • FTTP: 0
  • FTTC: 775
  • ADSLx: 0
  • None: 1
  
  

All above information is correct at time of 00:11 26-Feb-2015.

Not really checked cabinets that already have fibre for a while now, but CodeLook says 675.

*** update 1 ***

Just did a recheck and yes 775 with FTTC:

BT Wholesale Exchange Information.

Exchange Name: Ilford Central
Exchange Code: LNILC

• Cabinet: 21
  
  • FTTP: 0
  • FTTC: 775
  • ADSLx: 0
  • None: 1
  
  

All above information is correct at time of 03:20 11-Jun-2015.

Well that was an hour put to good use LOL.

*** update 2 ***

^Damnit I must stop replying to posts without reading a few time at this time of the morning.
Sorry thought you was referring to the cabinet I linked too

Paul

Edited by PaulKirby (Thu 11-Jun-15 03:30:35)

In reply to a post by btbert:

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

Found that cabinet that has 775 lines in it...

https://goo.gl/maps/59B4Z

PCP Cabinets on the left (yes two of them) and the FTTC Cabinet on the right.

Paul

Are you sure the cab on the right is in use ? as i dont think so ( no bolts to shut the doors) Also all lines would fit in the new cab , sometimes the old shell is just left in place.

Ah, I miss read what you wrote, yeah, the OLD PCP 21 Cabinet doesn't seem to be in use, I thought you was referring to the FTTC Cabinet the other side of the road on the right

As for what it looks like now I have no clue doe to I am over 3.5Km from there.

Paul

The Codelook info is the amount of premises passed by the cabinet according to the BT database which explains the 675 number there.

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

The Codelook info is the amount of premises passed by the cabinet according to the BT database which explains the 675 number there.

Well they are wrong there as usual due to its really 775 lines.

Paul

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

Well they are wrong there as usual due to its really 775 lines.

Paul

Not so much wrong as out of date. It's a snapshot taken a while ago so subsequent build or conversation of houses into MDUs will render it invalid.

That's why my cabinet passes 105 premises on the information Codelook used but actually passes about 550.

In reply to a post by Pgre:

Was there any reasoning around btor's initial rejection that it wasn't commercially viable.
Seems really strange especially when it's got 400+ lines.
Many cabs have way less than that and have been fibre-izd

I think the issue isn't how many lines, it's probably how many active lines. My cab of around 200 lines has been avoided for commercial reasons - judging by the wifi in my area we have a lot of Virgin customers.

Slow internet is Retro - maybe I can sell the house to a hipster

Stupid question but where does codelook show the premises passed for a cab? I've not found that info.

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

Well they are wrong there as usual due to its really 775 lines.

Paul

Not so much wrong as out of date. It's a snapshot taken a while ago so subsequent build or conversation of houses into MDUs will render it invalid.

That's why my cabinet passes 105 premises on the information Codelook used but actually passes about 550.

How long ago was yours done? ours was done in 2011 and 2012.

And it says on CodeLook:
Source: BT Wholesale broadband datasets dated 28th May 2015

So it should be correct by now.

Hmm, seems we have gone slightly off topic, sorry

Paul

Edited by PaulKirby (Thu 11-Jun-15 14:09:46)

In reply to a post by MaryHinge:

Stupid question but where does codelook show the premises passed for a cab? I've not found that info.

When you view the list of cabinets for the exchange.

Also note it will only say the amount for FTTC as far as I have seen.

Paul

Also note it will only say the amount for FTTC as far as I have seen.

Note also that this isn't the number of actual FTTC enabled lines but rather the number of lines on the cabinet to which an FTTC service could be supplied

In reply to a post by MCM:

Also note it will only say the amount for FTTC as far as I have seen.

Note also that this isn't the number of actual FTTC enabled lines but rather the number of lines on the cabinet to which an FTTC service could be supplied

Oh, so what is more correct, those numbers on CodeLook or the results from the DSL Checker?

Because my checks use the DSL Checker for the amount of lines with FTTC.

Paul

I'll leave you to decide what is correct but meanwhile will point you towards a recent (25 May) post by wwwombat which showed only 4.5% of 34,362 cabinets as having more than 128 ports with the vast majority of cabinets (66%) having 64 or fewer ports. I find it difficult to believe that a cab such as Ilford 21 has 775 active FTTC connections and not one ADSL connection. It is my understanding that instead it means that 775 of the lines at PCP21 are capable of supporting an FTTC service with one line unable to support either FTTC or ADSL.

It does need to be treated with caution though. One house I advise has a line length of around 9 km and CodeLook say direct straight line to exchange is 1.8 km with a potential doubling for actual distance - no where near 5 times! It also puts the cabinet 400 m from actual location, and suggest 100% Fibre - yes they could have FTTC with about 500k up and 100k down some weeks!

MT = empty ......

But that surely is BT's target market.. i.e. VM customers.
If they can provide alternative good BBand..
At the end of the day your a BT customer to the most part if you don't have VM in the area, so they gain more by deploying in VM areas. (That was one of the original theories anyway).

But there must be some logic to it.. (I hope)

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

How long ago was yours done? ours was done in 2011 and 2012.

And it says on CodeLook:
Source: BT Wholesale broadband datasets dated 28th May 2015

So it should be correct by now.

Hmm, seems we have gone slightly off topic, sorry

Paul

No worries.

The premises passed count is from the original surveys done way back when, it is not updated. The updates from the dataset reference newly enabled cabinets / exchanges.

Took me a few days, but here's the cabinet in Cambuslang cabinet 24 where they added an extension onto the PCP.

http://imgur.com/wKXUrmu

enough cabinets there?