BT begins UK rollout of Vectoring

BT Begins UK Rollout of Vectoring to Fix FTTC �Fibre Broadband� Speeds - article from ISPReview

At last! All a bit vague though.

See this ECI blog.

http://blog.ecitele.com/Pages/Post.aspx?PostID=60&Au...

Edited by Nightglow (Tue 16-Jun-15 15:56:53)

In reply to a post by alext05:

BT Begins UK Rollout of Vectoring to Fix FTTC �Fibre Broadband� Speeds - article from ISPReview

Interesting. I thought they'd said they weren't going to bother.

Interestingly this hasn't been shared with their own staff yet!

good news for those on hauwei.

It also conflicts with what OR have been telling ISPs for the last few months.

What have OR been telling ISPs for the last few months?

In reply to a post by Nightglow:

See this ECI blog.

http://blog.ecitele.com/Pages/Post.aspx?PostID=60&Au...

which is dated September 13, 2011. A bit out of date, I suspect

Openreach has now informed ISPreview.co.uk that Vectoring on FTTC lines is still a �key part� of their toolkit and they are continuing to �test and develop its capabilities�. Crucially they�ve also started deploying Vectoring outside of the trial areas, focusing specifically on FTTC street cabinets / areas where the benefit of its deployment would be most keenly felt. Sadly Openreach was not able to offer any further details.

The article looks a bit labored to me. It's like they really wanted to be the first with it.

It looks a bit misleading to me.

I wouldn't bank on it until they proved it!

I am waiting for something more concrete and then of course spotting the effect on various lines

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

I am waiting for something more concrete and then of course spotting the effect on various lines

Good move.

I have to go with Andy on this. If they have started rolling it out it was with zero notice to SPs and, actually, in genuine contradiction of all their recent briefings.

They have certainly alluded to releasing vectoring on a very selective basis with the initial plans being to use it to increase reach on BDUK areas and get some more premises within contract parameters but given no indication beyond 'we'll let you know' of timelines, or of wider deployments.

As the article says, with G.fast on the horizon, commercial deployment scheduled to begin next year, and bandwidth demands rising as rapidly as they are the case for spending a ton of money on new line cards for Huawei and retrofitting ECI DSLAMs is pretty thin.

I'm also curious as to why I can't see anything referencing this on BT's own sites - this would be a pretty big deal you'd have thought.

We'll see I guess.

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

I am waiting for something more concrete and then of course spotting the effect on various lines

Good move.

I have to go with Andy on this. If they have started rolling it out it was with zero notice to SPs and, actually, in genuine contradiction of all their recent briefings.

Which recent briefings?

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

Which recent briefings?

The ones for Openreach customers.

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

We'll see I guess.

... is broadly the approach I'm taking.

In reply to a post by WWWombat:

... is broadly the approach I'm taking.

It just seems bizarre. One site carrying this story, not on the official press office pages, no reference to it elsewhere, and completely contrary to Openreach information to CPs that is just a week old. All weird.

I very much hope my cynicism is wrong, mind you. I'm very happy to be proven wrong if it benefits more folks.

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

Which recent briefings?

The ones for Openreach customers.

Are you an Openreach customer?

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

Are you an Openreach customer?

If I have seen the briefings, which I have, entirely irrelevant unless there's some psychic security protocol in effect that changes the PDFs and PPTs if someone 'unauthorised' views them.

I was hoping for a yes or no, but that looks like a don't know to me

Sorry, I don't feel the need to answer irrelevant questions to suit you. Just make up whatever response most appeals and store it for pedantry purposes later

It's ok, someone PM'd me the answer

feel free to pass it on to me )

all these people posting information thats to openreach customers, but then getting all funny when asked how they got said information.

Can't think why. Oh yeah I can, something to do with not getting said sources into strife just to win nerd points on a forum

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

It's ok, someone PM'd me the answer

How nice for you. I'm sure it was appropriately thrilling and entirely accurate.

Agreed

Okay: confirmed from two sources it's still in pilot, not in commercial roll out.

A breakdown in communication happened somewhere here.

EDIT: I obviously don't need to name the sources here as someone from probably the Kitz forum and/or Plusnet's forum will PM Batboy with what they think they are.

Edited by deleted (Thu 18-Jun-15 20:10:05)

Is that a pitchfork in your pocket or...?

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

A breakdown in communication happened somewhere here.

It felt like it as nobody else has published the same information. Thanks for confirming.

Edited by deleted (Thu 18-Jun-15 20:28:36)

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

Is that a pitchfork in your pocket or...?

No, I'm just pleased to see you, as always

Ah, you villagers - what are you like

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Agreed

I've dropped you a note indicating one of the parties I received a denial of this from, Andrew.

Seems you were wise not to run with it.

Sounds like the story's a little premature, but OR need to get moving on this.

My downstream has decreased by 16% since install. This could easily move a lot of "superfast" lines, into the "not-superfast" bracket.

That's pretty much where they are considering targeting it.

There is no other driver for them commercially.

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

That's pretty much where they are considering targeting it.

There is no other driver for them commercially.

Any idea what the cost of a vectoring engine card for the fibre cabinet MSAN is?

I just walking bypass cabinet and saw openreach engineers (there are about 7 of them with two vans) with a grey boxes (new line card) installed. I asked the guys are vectoring going to be roll out? The guys was surprise me saying "This the vectoring we going to addition on the cabinet soon, very soon".

So, it all seem true.

Based on the costs of cabinets people throw about, the price of sending someone and their wages/vehicle etc is probably more than the card itself.

Are you sure they weren't activating g.fast at the same time?

Edited by deleted (Fri 19-Jun-15 16:08:09)

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From the 3-month old Openreach plans we have access to, you can see they have no plans to activate G.Fast in Cuckoo Oak in June.

You must be new here!!!???
I don't believe English is @adslmax's first language - move on.

I shouldn't be feeding trolls I know...

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To think, you complained at me for being somewhat cynical when you posted this on the Plusnet community.

Can't think why I was that way given the warm reception this ground breaking news has received here.

EDIT: Don't forget to mention that 5 of those 7 guys were 'pulling cables'.

Edited by deleted (Fri 19-Jun-15 18:40:56)

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

From the 3-month old Openreach plans we have access to, you can see they have no plans to activate G.Fast in Cuckoo Oak in June.

They didn't have any plans to start live deployment of vectoring a week ago either but, apparently, here it is!

That's the problem with old plans - they're out of date.