New NTE5c Faceplate

New NTE5c Faceplate coming, thought there was a thread about it on this forum, but a search finds nothing.

https://thecomputerperson.wordpress.com/2015/12/23/n...

https://thecomputerperson.wordpress.com/2015/12/23/n...

Presumably the cam locks and the 'Tool Less removal' are 'elf and safety - to stop BT engineers stabbing themselves with screwdrivers during an install.

For a good connection I would guess that IDC may still offer lower resistance as this cuts through any oxidation on the surface of the wires. It's possible though that the cam lock connection has a greater surface of contact which helps lower resistance.

I can't see any reason for anyone to change from earlier NTE5 models to the latest though,. I'm sure it won't improve broadband performance.

I still have a 1955 vintage BT20/4 junction box where the external line comes in and that doesn't seem to affect my broadband performance.

Looking at the pictures, a new VDSL2 interstitial filter plate will have to be designed to match this. I wonder how this will work as the house wiring is no longer connected to the removable section.

Edited by caffn8me (Sat 09-Jan-16 13:33:16)

My presumption without having one to rip apart is that the tool less is a bit like this gigabit connectors, have a couple of the RJ45 version and the jaws cut just like IDC

That's possible.

A bit more poking around seems to suggest that the new faceplate is to be used for a new 'SOGEA' service - Single Order Generic Ethernet Access. There is a new SOGEA frontplate designed to use with the NTE5c.

http://www.sinet.bt.com/sinet/sins/pdf/STIN517v1p0.pdf

Edited by caffn8me (Sat 09-Jan-16 13:59:10)

I take it this is the new telephone socket?
https://thecomputerperson.files.wordpress.com/2015/0...

You have to remove the full stop at the end of the link

That's the one. No need to upgrade my socket for improved aesthetics - it's hidden in my server cupboard

Done.

In reply to a post by caffn8me:

Looking at the pictures, a new VDSL2 interstitial filter plate will have to be designed to match this. I wonder how this will work as the house wiring is no longer connected to the removable section.

If the internal wiring is not connected to faceplate how do you disconnect it to do test-socket only testing?

Just spotted something else.

The red ( network ) termination is not visible in the image. Therefore it must be inside the main box. Access to which seems to be by undoing two screws. Hardly toolless!

Ooo this bit's interesting

As part of the SOGEA trial Openreach may conduct experiments into the long term effects of the presence and absence of wetting current on SOGEA circuits � SOGEA faceplates may contain a wetting current sink, that is triggered by an A-B voltage above the normal PSTN line voltage.

In reply to a post by caffn8me:

A bit more poking around seems to suggest that the new faceplate is to be used for a new 'SOGEA' service - Single Order Generic Ethernet Access. There is a new SOGEA frontplate designed to use with the NTE5c.

http://www.sinet.bt.com/sinet/sins/pdf/STIN517v1p0.pdf

That's what it said in the OP's link. It just didn't give a picture of it, but it's clear from the new NGE5c backplate picture.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

Ooo this bit's interesting

So is this:-

SOGEA:

- is an addition to the Openreach product portfolio and not intended to replace any existing product choices;
- uses the same Ethernet characteristics as currently available from GEA-FTTC products;
- is supplied with its own copper bearer that would terminate in the exchange and not with MPF or WLR equipment;
- is available as a new provide or migration from/to existing products or product combinations;
- will accommodate the industry geographic number port process in the order and provision process;
- requires any voice service to be provided entirely by VoIP from a service provider.

So it's the broadband-only-line provision product. Analogue phones have to go through a converter.

Leave the premises, and if the new owner wants a conventional phone service then *the NTE5c has to be replaced by a standard NTE5*.

Edit: Added red * highlight as this is probably incorrect, and that a PSTN faceplate would be fitted to the NTE5c plus a dangly filter.

Edited by RobertoS (Sat 09-Jan-16 22:50:35)

The wetting current has been proposed as a mitigation for HR faults.

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That's a different thing altogether. I was simply pointing out the result of fitting an NTE5c is VOIP only for phone services, with no exchange-end PSTN connections by Openreach.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

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That's a different thing altogether. I was simply pointing out the result of fitting an NTE5c is VOIP only for phone services, with no exchange-end PSTN connections by Openreach.

But SOGEA doesn't really need a different NTE or an engineer to visit your home, as FTTC would still work without the E'side pair with the existing NTE and filtered faceplates,This to me sounds like another revenue generating idea from BT OR, that will offer no real benefit to the customer as well as associated charges from the engineering work to be re cooped by the provider, which is likely to mean a tie in or increased price, the word Scam is on the tip of my tounge

Edited by tommy45 (Sat 09-Jan-16 16:20:09)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Leave the premises, and if the new owner wants a conventional phone service then the NTE5c has to be replaced by a standard NTE5.

Is that this bit?

CPs should note that the SOGEA face-plate must be removed and replaced with an appropriate alternative if the service is changed to include standard WLR or MPF.

Yes.

Edit - though on reflection it may be that there is a POTS faceplate for the NTE5c, and then any broadband + PSTN would require a dangly filter.

Edited by RobertoS (Sat 09-Jan-16 22:45:49)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Yes.

Edit - though on reflection it may be that there is a POTS faceplate for the NTE5c, and then any broadband + PSTN would require a dangly filter.

which would be a step backwards surely, and if it was the case they could stick it for me

You wouldn't (legally) have a choice. DIY would of course solve it, but few would dare do that.

The idea would appear to be a be able to feed the VoIP calls from the ATA onto customers existing telephone extension wiring without sending back down the pair heading back to the cabinet.

More about it here at ISPreview
As far as I understand from the article it allows for Broadband on a copper pair without the need to order a phone service, but with line conditions designed to mitigate HR faults