FTTP Priority for EO Lines

Hey all,

I've found out that a local friend has FTTP - he doesn't even know about it and hasn't registered any interest (grr).

How do they go about prioritising houses? I'm desperate for faster fibre, and so annoyed he has a chance to order it, yet he doesn't even want it!

So frustrating.

There is no exact formula but the majority of EO lines just get VDSL2 when taken to superfast, so there is a big lottery as to whether FTTP is used.

Some projects have extra EU money to target business, so if there are a number of businesses in the area, this may have swayed things.

So you think it'll be unlikely we'll be put on a cabinet? I know one local place just up the road who's closer to us than the house I know has FTTP, so perhaps slowly they're working their way towards us?

What would make them roll FTTC instead of FTTP?

All depends on the best solution to cover the target number (or above) of premises for the best value of money, which does indeed vary a lot from area to area (even within the same exchange area).

There are lots of examples out there were EO lines close to exchanges have indeed been put on a new PCP sited near the exchange which was then also twinned with a FTTC DSLAM cab to enable FTTC to those properties within the limitations of obtaining a VDSLx signal.

Those EO lines further away from the exchange may get a combined FTTC & PCP cabinet, FTTP or if they are trailing it FTTrN depending on the best solution.

Also the Councils/Local body working with your local BDUK/SEP scheme my also have priority areas/types or have chosen to priorities upgrading those areas where properties can't get above 2mbps where possible.
I know Fastershire have some baseline targets in some areas of minimum 2Mbps e.g some areas state "Further work to ensure all premises in the project area have the capability to access faster broadband with a minimum of 2Mbps will be completed by December 2016."

Edited by cymru123 (Sun 10-Apr-16 15:37:25)

So it really is just a wait and see job. So fed up of waiting, end of 2014 was the first date we had, here we are in 2016 no further! :|

Given a postcode can sometimes find hints of what might be happening, I say hints as plans do change and get delayed.

In reply to a post by ryannn:

So it really is just a wait and see job. So fed up of waiting, end of 2014 was the first date we had, here we are in 2016 no further! :|

That's nothing, we have had all the FTTP hardware installed in the chamber and up the phone pole since end of 2011 and we are still waiting.

BT/BTOR say we are still down to get it, but just keep fobbing us off with new dates etc that just come and go.

I just wish BT would man up and be truthful instead of fobbing people off.

But one can only hope.

Paul

I see your infuriation, and raise you living in a former BT office building, next to the BT tower, opposite their central exchange, with them having no plans to give us any FTTx whatsoever, or interest in explaining why not .

That sucks!

In Birmingham by any chance?

In reply to a post by B31:

In Birmingham by any chance?

Bingo.

We're trying to get Hyperoptic installed but apparently Openreach are seemingly being pretty useless at installing EAD (fibre) for them as well.

It annoys me that they say it's not 'commercially viable', yet running gigabit speed trials before we're connected. GRR.

In reply to a post by hopkapi:

I see your infuriation, and raise you living in a former BT office building, next to the BT tower, opposite their central exchange, with them having no plans to give us any FTTx whatsoever, or interest in explaining why not .

Yeah, but at least you have BDUK, we live in London and only have the Commercial Rollout that I have been fold we are still part of and that FTTP take longer than FTTC, but in my eyes FTTP doesn't take over 4 years to install, a couple of months if that.

And to make things worse we cannot even get VM here, its everywhere all around us but just not here, no Hyperoptic, nor any gigaclear nothing.

All we have is ADSL2+ that goes up and down more times than I can count LOL

Paul

You'd think you could just string a cable up from the tower down to the apartment at that distance!

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

Yeah, but at least you have BDUK we live in London and only have the Commercial Rollout

Unfortunately not, London, Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester, Salford, and Kingston upon Hull all lack BDUK funding.

If you've got Virgin Media everywhere around you it might be worth registering your interest and getting your neighbours to do the same considering the big infill project ('Project Lightning') they're currently embarking upon.

Hyperoptic are only an option for us because our building is big enough and I, as cringey as it was to do so, went door-to-door getting people to register their interest, then spent roughly a year poking my building management and liaising with HO to get things through.

Edited by deleted (Mon 11-Apr-16 21:41:16)

In reply to a post by hopkapi:

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

Yeah, but at least you have BDUK we live in London and only have the Commercial Rollout

Unfortunately not, London, Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester, Salford, and Kingston upon Hull all lack BDUK funding.

If you've got Virgin Media everywhere around you it might be worth registering your interest and getting your neighbours to do the same considering the big infill project ('Project Lightning') they're currently embarking upon.

Hyperoptic are only an option for us because our building is big enough and I, as cringey as it was to do so, went door-to-door getting people to register their interest, then spent roughly a year poking my building management and liaising with HO to get things through.

Virgin Media will never be in my area due to our area being a conservation area so no cabinets allowed.

Hyper Optic only install into flats and new housing estates that are being built, ours is neither due to it being an house.

So you can see the issue here cant you

As for Birmingham I think it has had BDUK funding in some places.

Paul

Edited by PaulKirby (Mon 11-Apr-16 21:47:24)

Yes, believe Brum's funding was for two areas of the city centre, but for commercial not residential.

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

Virgin Media will never be in my area due to our area being a conservation area so no cabinets allowed.

As for Birmingham I think it has had BDUK funding in some places.

Firstly, it looks like the conservation area thing might not be an issue for quite a while, so get thee to Cable My Street.

Secondly, nope, I copied/pasted that list from a GOV.UK/BDUK page. No BDUK in Birmingham.

In reply to a post by hopkapi:

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

Virgin Media will never be in my area due to our area being a conservation area so no cabinets allowed.

As for Birmingham I think it has had BDUK funding in some places.

Firstly, it looks like the conservation area thing might not be an issue for quite a while, so get thee to Cable My Street.

Secondly, nope, I copied/pasted that list from a GOV.UK/BDUK page. No BDUK in Birmingham.

B31 said they did but only for commercial.

As for Virgin Media, no chance, people round here would still say no to the cabinets, they have nothing to loose due to they already have FTTP, just the lower half of our road has all the hardware installed, but just no fibre.

Our conservation area is that strict we cannot even get PVC Windows or Doors on the front of our houses, and the windows need to look like sash windows and have a Victorian style doors.

Also we have been fobbed off by VM, I got fobbed off and lied to by them for several months and when I when to complain to them I was laughed at and hung up on, so I certainly wont go with them.

Paul

I rang BT local business - no planned rollout in the next 18 months, grr.

Have I got any other options? I can't stick another 18 months or more with this service, was getting 0.3 download speed last night. FML.

In reply to a post by ryannn:

I rang BT local business - no planned rollout in the next 18 months, grr.

Have I got any other options? I can't stick another 18 months or more with this service, was getting 0.3 download speed last night. FML.

Ouch, well whenever I speak to BT or BTOR giving them all my details etc I get told that I am still down for FTTP which is still being upgraded but at a slower pace due to the weather, yep, they blame the weather, the funny thing is the weather doesn't slow them down doing FTTC work in the area, it seems that it only slows down the work for all the Commercial FTTP upgrades on my exchange.

Funny that isn't it BT

Paul

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

In reply to a post by ryannn:

I rang BT local business - no planned rollout in the next 18 months, grr.

Have I got any other options? I can't stick another 18 months or more with this service, was getting 0.3 download speed last night. FML.

Ouch, well whenever I speak to BT or BTOR giving them all my details etc I get told that I am still down for FTTP which is still being upgraded but at a slower pace due to the weather, yep, they blame the weather, the funny thing is the weather doesn't slow them down doing FTTC work in the area, it seems that it only slows down the work for all the Commercial FTTP upgrades on my exchange.

Funny that isn't it BT

Paul

Are you down for FTTP? Strange, you've never mentioned it before!

In reply to a post by lee111s:

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

In reply to a post by ryannn:

I rang BT local business - no planned rollout in the next 18 months, grr.

Have I got any other options? I can't stick another 18 months or more with this service, was getting 0.3 download speed last night. FML.

Ouch, well whenever I speak to BT or BTOR giving them all my details etc I get told that I am still down for FTTP which is still being upgraded but at a slower pace due to the weather, yep, they blame the weather, the funny thing is the weather doesn't slow them down doing FTTC work in the area, it seems that it only slows down the work for all the Commercial FTTP upgrades on my exchange.

Funny that isn't it BT

Paul

Are you down for FTTP? Strange, you've never mentioned it before!

Haha.
/me slaps back of head of lee111s

Paul