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(deleted) Fri 15-Jul-16 17:08:23
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Having benefited from reports on here that SSE could offer me a static IP I thought I�d give some feedback on my install and maybe help someone else looking at the cheaper end of the FTTC market.

With FTTC having been imminent in my Somerset village for ages, I�d had my eye on FTTC options since the start of the year when I came out of contract with Plusnet. While I�m not a heavy user myself, I do host my own application servers so my �wish� list probably rates static IP and upload speeds higher than some others.

As a 13+ year Plusnet ADSL customer I was disappointed last year when they downgraded their 40/20 package to 40/2 and, as I�d feared, their anti-churn department wasn�t able to offer me anything competitive with SSE�s £25 FTTC package (cost incl. caller ID).

As others have mentioned, the switch over appears to include a two week cooling off period. This means over a month is required to transfer the line. I was phoned after the first two week period to book in my �engineer� visit (read Openreach Engineer) on the afternoon of the transfer date. Shortly after this call a Technicolor TG589vac turned up in the post.

On the day of transfer my Plusnet ADSL went dead first thing and I was home by midday to turn off all my equipment and plug the new one in (didn�t turn it on). At 13:00 I got a call from the OR guy saying he�d be about ½ hour but it was actually about an hour before he arrived. This was fine as he�d obviously been to the cab first.

Once at the house he plugged testing equipment into the test socket. I�d already fitted a vDSL interstitial myself in the past so I don�t know if he would have done this if I hadn�t had one? He then struggled to get any signal on his mobile phone to initiate the tests � finally achieving it by hanging out the window (this is fairly standard here).

I wasn�t able to wrangle an openreach modem out of him unfortunately as he only has one now for debugging tasks. He believed ISP all-in-ones will be the only option going forward.

His line stats suggested a best case scenario of 32Mbps so it�s probable the 80/20 - 40/20 profiles wouldn�t have achieved any better upload speed. The backhaul is Daisy wholesale and while my initial single thread speed tests were only around 5Mbps (as someone else here has reported?) they have since improved to > 25 Mbps.

The day after go-live I raised a ticket on their online system in order to request a static IP. 1 week later and without any response (although my IP had remained static in this time) I phoned the call centre and they were able to sort me a static IP over the phone (thanks Mike). This change seemed to cause some routing issues until I was able to get home and reconfigure my router to suit. I would suggest you have to phone them currently rather than relying on their online system.

I�m indifferent regarding the supplied hardware as I run my own pfSense router. But it was easy enough to switch into bridge mode for a while to replace my old Netgear DM111P adsl bridge. I�ve since (about 7 days in) switched to an Openreach HG612 3b. But that has only managed to squeeze maybe 1 or 2 Mbps extra from my line at most (it reports 24.2dB of line attenuation). I�ll probably give the TG589 a go as a dual band WAP for a while, given it�s supposed to be 1300ac with beam-forming.

For anyone having issues with the router, note it takes a long old time to boot (My firmware is currently lime 15.2). It comes pre-configured with a default [email protected] username. This allows it to make an initial connection and download your actual username and password. There doesn�t seem to be a way to get at the password in the router. Downloading the config to a .bin file I was unable to figure it out.

However, my router box included a piece of paper with a [email protected] username/password for a SSE Netintelligence product and I found this was also my PPP login details.

I can�t think of anything else worth adding, hopefully some of this might be useful for someone else out there considering the cheaper end of FTTC�
Standard User Discus
(experienced) Fri 15-Jul-16 19:40:44
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I am one of the ones that had problems with the speed. That said, things appear to have improved considerably over the last week with minimal decrease over peak period. Will be interesting to see how it holds up over the weekend.

I was given my password by SSE customer service, although it was provided so I could do tap3 testing and then be able to log back in again. Ask them, they may be helpful smile

Mark

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Standard User dandnsmith
(experienced) Sat 16-Jul-16 13:42:11
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I have a TG589vn - it's extremely slow to do anything thru the web interface.
Following a suggestion on this forum, I found that you could save the config to a named file (text), edit it, and then load the new version. However the password had to be changed via the web interface.
It has now been replaced by a cheap and cheerful TP-LINK W9970 (N300), which is a lot easier to set up and change.
HTH

Derek


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(deleted) Sun 17-Jul-16 21:00:22
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I haven't come across the TG589vn myself but I've meddled with plenty of other dire ISP Technicolour devices so I feel your pain. The TG589vac seems to be OK, although downloading the config does appear to be a binary file rather than text.

I've now I got it running as a dual band WAP and it doesn't seem to need rebooting for every config change like a old Buffalo N300 I had before. Will see how it fares...
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(deleted) Wed 20-Jul-16 20:08:47
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Ok I have just received my Router TG589AC and have to wait till the 2nd Aug for activation but in the meantime I wanted to setup my router to ensure it was setup correctly for my network. IP range, switch off wireless etc. Also due to the way I have it setup I was going to swap my existing router out and plumb it in, it should in theory work.

However I can't seem to log on as an admin.

Using the username admin (and variants with capital A or administrator) and the various codes including the Access Key as the password I can't log on.

Anybody got any ideas?

Does it have to connect for the 1st to get a config file and this includes the router default password?
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(deleted) Wed 20-Jul-16 20:14:17
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Doh,

of course I tried admin and admin before several times....

Just tried it out of pure frustration in IE and it worked this time. Oh well ....
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(deleted) Wed 20-Jul-16 20:55:15
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It seems to reboot on that initial connection to SSE (when it configures your own username) - probably wouldn't reconfigure your internal configurations though? If you have your username and password for the security product as I did, then you could probably pre-configure those to save it doing it's own initial setup thing completely?

If it doesn't work then factory reset puts it back to the config user connection again...
Standard User dandnsmith
(experienced) Fri 22-Jul-16 07:38:02
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I've had trouble with a couple of products when using FF to logon - sometimes getting a message about redirecting a page (although apparently still on the same). Could this be the thing?

Derek
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(deleted) Fri 22-Jul-16 11:25:21
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In reply to a post by savi:
However, my router box included a piece of paper with a [email protected] username/password for a SSE Netintelligence product and I found this was also my PPP login details.

I can�t think of anything else worth adding, hopefully some of this might be useful for someone else out there considering the cheaper end of FTTC�


Thanks for this!

I have just moved from plusnet to SSE. I have my own router, and an Openreach modem on the wall, which has a ETHERNET out to the router. This router seems to want the smaller phone jack coming from an openreach wall box. Do you know if this router will work with the signal coming from openreach modem into the red WAN port rather than the yellow DSL port?

I've got until monday morning to figure this out.

Also, do I need to run the main router the first time to register my username and password so I can use PPPoE on my actual router? I'd rather just wait until monday, put my new username and pass into my current router and just carry on :/

Sorry for the questions, you seem clued up!
Thanks
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(deleted) Fri 22-Jul-16 11:55:13
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Hi weezul,

the SSE item is a combined modem/router all in 1.

It can replace both your Openreach modem and router using the small RJ-11 grey port you've noticed.

OR it could replace just your openreach modem by using the rj-11 socket and being switched into bridge mode.

OR it could replace your router and work as pppoe router using the red ethernet port to your current openreach modem.

OR (as I now have it) it can be set up as just a dual band wireless access point inside your network.

Is this getting confusing - sorry????

If you are happy with your own hardware setup as it stands, you might want to just update your current router settings to your new [email protected] username/password if you have that?

As for clued up - well, I wouldn't go that far - the more you know, the less you understand and all that!!!
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(deleted) Fri 22-Jul-16 12:48:05
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Sorry, in saying all that, I didn't really say that I doubt the auto-config step needs to occur in order to activate your SSE account.

But if for some reason it did, and your old router won't connect using the SSE ppp username/password, then you could just just plug the SSE one in for 5 minutes and then unplug again and switch back to your old hardware thereafter?

That's effectively what I've done in switching back to my pfSense box.
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(deleted) Fri 22-Jul-16 12:53:09
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Thanks. So basically it can connect thorugh RJ-45 and WAN ports too. That's good. I guess my openreach modem must be connected to the openreach socket... I just can't even remember seeing the socket when the guy fitted everything. It must be there.

I will probably connect it through the WAN port then and see if it can get set up that way. The openreach modem is mounted to the wall behind the desk out of sight so it's all good. Then if the performance of the router isn't up to snuff I'll swap it out for my Tp-Link (which in all fairness, sucks as well).

I tried logging into the sse.netintelligence.com site to check my login details, and they don't seem to work. Maybe I have to wait for activiation date.

Thanks again for the insight. How are you finding traffic management? I need my upload back! smile
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(deleted) Thu 28-Jul-16 23:31:07
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Hey
Just came back to let people know the traffic management is utterly terrible. Over VPN i can get around 8MBPS down on a torrent, and facebook videos play without stuttering, my ping is 18ms to London server, 70 down 16 up.

Turn the VPN off and facebook videos no longer play without stuttering (not sure why I noticed FB so much!), 74 up, 18 up. Torrents seem to hover around 40 - 100 kbps. I only connected the router tonight, three days after my switchover date. My PlusNet connection was still working so I just left it as I've been working a lot.

The upside is that I have a VPN anyway through PIA, and it's cheap and works great. The monthly cost of that is negligible. In all honestly I would still recommend it if you couple it with a VPN.
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hi can you help me with how to use a vpn , thanks
Standard User Michael_Chare
(experienced) Mon 05-Dec-16 21:02:06
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In reply to a post by ConstantinRoman:
hi can you help me with how to use a vpn , thanks
Have you heard of Google? If so you could use the information from the previous posts in this thread and search for 'PIA VPN".

Michael Chare
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(member) Mon 05-Dec-16 22:58:03
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Weezul,

Can you let me know if you are still experiencing issues with Traffic Management?

I've been connected to SSE for about a week now and really cannot fault it. I was prepared to set up my own Ubiquiti EdgeRouter and tunnel everything over my VPN (it sits on a 100MB Leased Line) to combat this traffic management issues but so far haven't needed it.

My DSL sync from the supplied router is already higher than the top estimate from the dslchecker.bt.com site and i can comfortably run speedtests of 65mbps+ over WiFi at any time of the day or night.

Perhaps this has a lot to do with where you live, and what Daisy have in the way of Backhaul in that area?

I wouldn't exactly call myself a "light user" either. I average about 10GB/day usage
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(deleted) Tue 06-Dec-16 00:06:39
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Okay, so without my VPN. and a torrent with 10,000 seeds I'm getting an average of 14.3kb/sec down at the moment. 16hrs remaining on a 673mb file.

After putting the VPN on, it's shot right up to hovering around 3mb / 5 mb a second. Taking 3 mins on average.

This is on my hackintosh, I tend to get better speeds through Tixati on my media centre machine in the living room.

Just to double check, killed the VPN again and it's back to 2mb/s. Not bad but no way near the potential. I really don't know sometimes it can be tolerable and other times they just barely move.

If I go back to facebook, the videos do seem to play now. Something may have changed since I first signed up, but honestly I have my VPN on permanently now and have forgotten all about the issue. It does seem to be a little better at least now, midnight on a weekday :/
Standard User connormill
(member) Wed 07-Dec-16 23:17:47
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I've not had any issues with traffic management yet. but today I had no service for about 20 minutes and I could see that BTOR were in the cabinet.....coincidence?

Either way, since it's came back on I've went from a Fast Path sync at 71mbps down to an Interleaved sync at 66mbps.

But still seems to perform well enough. Here is a speed test from about an hour ago: http://beta.speedtest.net/result/5859761707
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