HG612 as a modem and BT HUB as an access point

Hello,
I just have bought a HG612, which I would like to use with my BT HUB5. Basically I would the HG612 to work as a modem and then the BT HUB5 as an access point.
I could set the HG612 but I have no idea how to configure the BT HUB (dhcp etc).
Any help appreciated.
Best

Just plug the modem in as per, and make an ethernet connection between the modem and the wan port on the 5 ...... assuming your ISP is BT Broadband, then it'll do as you want. Easy.

Thanks. I tried but it did not work.
Basically, I just have set a new PPOE connection on the HG612 (http://www.photo-host.org/kwc)
Do I have to enable DHCP on the HG612 (I tried with and without and it not work) ?
Best,
W

Edited by deleted (Sun 25-Dec-16 22:28:02)

You don't need to do anything on a HG612, it's meant to be a modem, not a router. You can use it as a DHCP server and have it do routing, but that's not what you're after.

As the HG612 I have is unlocked it has some routing capabilities.
I might have done something wrong when configuring the HG612 (Image)

Edited by deleted (Sun 25-Dec-16 22:32:14)

In reply to a post by ratyu:

As the HG612 I have is unlocked it has some routing capabilities.
I might have done something wrong when configuring the HG612 (Image)

Who is the DNS provider, BT retail? and more to the point why are you selecting them to provide your DNS requests? Do you want restricted access to the WWW or something?

Edited by tommy45 (Sun 25-Dec-16 23:03:03)

Just reset the HG612 to its default state.

Press and hold the reset button for more than ten seconds. Then leave the device alone for at least five minutes . . . go and make a mug of tea, for example.

After having left the HG612 in a quiescent state, now power cycle it. It will now be as originally configured . . . as a pure modem bridge.

I have Bt Infinity. I also have reset the HG612 to its default state. But then, it does not handle the connection (the BT HUB5) does.
I just would like the HG612 to work as a modem and the BT Hub as a router.

The modem isn't meant to do the routing, that's what the Hub 5 is for.

When the modem is in it's default config and you connect it to the Hub 5, they will work as intended. The Hub 5 will do routing, and the modem will modulate and demodulate.

Edited by deleted (Sun 25-Dec-16 23:21:01)

Thanks. I understand. But then why people do setup the BT connection on the HG612 ?

In reply to a post by ratyu:

I also have reset the HG612 to its default state.

Exactly how did you do that? Did you follow my directions, above?

(Hint: The reset button on an HG612 serves multiple purposes and the end result depends upon how it is used.)

But then, it does not handle the connection (the BT HUB5) does.

That is correct. That is how a pure bridge modem operates.

In reply to a post by ratyu:

Thanks. I understand. But then why people do setup the BT connection on the HG612 ?

They don't, I think you've misunderstood what a modem is.

It's the router that routes, not the modem. The modems job is to sit with a connection to the cabinet at the end of your street, the router connects via the modem to the authentication servers to log in and create your connection.

Edited by deleted (Sun 25-Dec-16 23:34:18)

I did not follow your instructions (but I will). I thought it would be the same if I would use the HG612 interface (there is an option to go back to the default state).

They don't, I think you've misunderstood what a modem is.

It's the router that routes, not the modem. The modems job is to sit with a connection to the cabinet at the end of your street, the router connects via the modem to the authentication servers to log in and create your connection.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1...

And there are plenty of similar posts.

Edited by deleted (Sun 25-Dec-16 23:39:49)

Well what's the point setting up the modem as a router if you are connecting a router anyway? The Hub 5 is a dedicated router, using the modem as a router is pointless.

EDIT: Not only is it pointless, it won't work with the Hub 5 anyway, you can't change it's routing settings. You'd need a different router/AP.

Edited by deleted (Sun 25-Dec-16 23:45:31)

Well. From my first post, I write ". Basically I would the HG612 to work as a modem ". I never have written I would like to use it as a router. I have written it has routing capabilities when unlocked. And I guess I know what a modem is

It works as a modem in it's default configuration

The settings that you linked to are for routing.

Edited by deleted (Sun 25-Dec-16 23:51:59)

In reply to a post by Callumpy:

It works as a modem in it's default configuration

The settings that you linked to are for routing.

The setting I send are for using the HG612 (unlocked) as a modem (PPOE etc). So that the HUB does not handle the modem part.
Would be nice if you could write properly messages instead of considering everyone is a newbie.

In reply to a post by ratyu:

I did not follow your instructions (but I will). I thought it would be the same if I would use the HG612 interface (there is an option to go back to the default state).

Ah, I see.

Unfortunately there are portions of the GUI that are wrong and don't display correct information or operate as expected/hoped.

In reply to a post by ratyu:

In reply to a post by Callumpy:

It works as a modem in it's default configuration

The settings that you linked to are for routing.

The setting I send are for using the HG612 (unlocked) as a modem (PPOE etc). So that the HUB does not handle the modem part.
Would be nice if you could write properly messages instead of considering everyone is a newbie.

How can the Hub be a modem if you don't connect it to the DSL line? You are meant to connect the DSL line to the modem.

You are refusing to do as instructed by two people who are correct, because for some reason you seem to believe them wrong.

One of those two is possibly one of the three most knowledgable people in the country on using the unlocked HG612.

You now have me telling you.

Starting with the HG612 switched on, press the recessed Reset button and keep it pressed for 7-10 seconds, until the lights start flashing. Then release that recessed button. A partly straightened out paper clip is the usual tool. But be careful you don't damage the button. Do not use the GUI to do the reset!

Following that, the suggested power cycling may be wise.

That will put your HG612 back into the mode it should be, acting as a pure modem. Connect its LAN1 port to the BT Hub WAN port and configure the Hub to do the connection. Doing a similar reset on that might be the simplest thing to do.

Job done.

Note - modems don't and never have made internet connections. They simple connect to a modem at the other end of the line to enable data to pass. The internet connection is made by a user either by settings in their computer (when no router is in place) or in their router - which in your case is the BT Hub. The settings in that are provided by your ISP, and enable your router to log into the ISP's internal systems and routers to create your internet connection.

I'm glad to see I've been proven right, even in this drunken state.

It does seem that the OP is expecting the modem to do something other than what it's meant for.

I'll try and add to the explanation somewhat, hopefully this helps:
WAN -> Phone line -> Modem -> Router (Hub 5 in this case). -> LAN

The modem only holds a connection with the cabinet by default, that's what a modem is for.
The router's job is to login to your ISP and get connection details.

Yes, it is possible to have the HG612 do the authentication, BUT, it won't work with the Hub 5 as there are no ways available with stock firmware to change the routing settings. The only other option is the JTag the Hub 5 and flash it with OpenWRT so you can change it's configuration.

All that you need to do with the hardware you have is leave them all in their default state and they will work out of the box. You can obviously make changes to stuff like DNS servers provided by DHCP and other internal stuff, but there is no need to make any changes at all to the WAN settings.

I hope this helps.

Well I appreciate your efforts. I just refuse to be told wrong things such as (i) nobody is using the HG612 for authentification ("They don't, I think you've misunderstood what a modem is.") and then "Yes, it is possible to have the HG612 do the authentication" (same person) or (ii) that the HG612 does not have routing capabilities (when unlocked). It is weird that some people just consider everyone as newbies (just because they are drunk and/or they do not read correctly the questions).
Thanks for the help.
Anyway, I am happy with my 80/20 connection in the UK and my 1000/250 in France at home (Look Here).

Edited by deleted (Mon 26-Dec-16 17:43:05)

You came here ostensibly for advice. So far you have rejected all advice and in the process been very rude to several people.

Perhaps you haven't made your wishes clear, with the result the question you think you have asked is not what we read in your post.

So I have some questions. They may slightly overlap each other.

1) What precisely do you mean when you say you want to use the "BT Hub as an access point"? Define an access point. It could mean many things.

Once we know the answer to that, then

2) Why do you want to move away from the standard setup of a BT Hub and forget about the HG612?

Following that -

3) Why did you buy an unlocked HG612?

4) What benefit are you wishing to achieve with the configuration? You haven't told us what benefit your changes will give you.

What I'm saying in a way is you have not told us your objective. You have just asked a very strange question, which may be to do with a completely mistaken way to achieve the objective. If you tell us what the end requirement is we can advise on that, rather than what you have decided is the method to achieve it.

All we know for a fact is that you have configured the HG612 to act as a combined modem/router. Which is counter to what you request in the Subject.

I guess some people have been very rude to me. Most probably because they were drunk when answering ("even in this drunken state"). I would be happy if you could comment on this and on the very strange answers some have given (regarding the capabilities of the HG612: " (i) nobody is using the HG612 for authentification ("They don't, I think you've misunderstood what a modem is.") and then "Yes, it is possible to have the HG612 do the authentication" (same person) ").
How would you react in front of someone drunk who writes something and then its opposite?

And I never have written I would not follow the instructions. Just have written the opposite 'I did not follow your instructions (but I will). I thought it would be the same if I would use the HG612 interface (there is an option to go back to the default state).
"

Anyhow... Once again, I thank you all for your help and efforts.

Edited by deleted (Mon 26-Dec-16 18:05:23)

The HG612 started as a bog-standard cheap two-port modem/router. For whatever reason Openreach chose to flash it with a customised version of the Huawei firmware, set in bridge mode and with the GUI and telnet access disabled.

The unlocking was first achieved by someone no longer on the scene so far as I know. He provided two versions. One with telnet unlocked, and one with both telnet and the (buggy) GUI unlocked.

Those of us who know what we are doing can cope with the GUI - it does have some uses that are easier than achieving the same thing through telnet. This bugginess is why two of us have advised you that you should not try to reset it using the GUI. The reset button is the way.

In particular the line stats in the GUI are clearly up the creek. Many of us know in what way, but suffice it to say the sync speeds are fine but the attenuation and noise margin ones I assume you can see are dodgy.

As I said earlier, most of us unlock it for (telnet) access to the full stats. The simple sync/attn/SNRM figures in the GUI are not much use anyway even if they were correct.

So, whatever it is you wish to achieve, please tell us - specifically by answering my previous list of questions. That is the only way anyone can help you.

Or are you happier adding to your previous rudeness to three of four poster by now accusing people replying to you of being drunk?

Do you want help or not? Note of the four trying to help, the other three have left departed, fed up with you.

In reply to a post by Callumpy:

I'm glad to see I've been proven right, even in this drunken state.

It does seem that the OP is expecting the modem to do something other than what it's meant for.

I'll try and add to the explanation somewhat, hopefully this helps:
WAN -> Phone line -> Modem -> Router (Hub 5 in this case). -> LAN

The modem only holds a connection with the cabinet by default, that's what a modem is for.
The router's job is to login to your ISP and get connection details.

Yes, it is possible to have the HG612 do the authentication, BUT, it won't work with the Hub 5 as there are no ways available with stock firmware to change the routing settings. The only other option is the JTag the Hub 5 and flash it with OpenWRT so you can change it's configuration.

All that you need to do with the hardware you have is leave them all in their default state and they will work out of the box. You can obviously make changes to stuff like DNS servers provided by DHCP and other internal stuff, but there is no need to make any changes at all to the WAN settings.

I hope this helps.

Pfff. I do not accuse anyone. I just read (first line).
So please do not be rude to me. I would be also happy if you could tell me when I have been rude to other posters (e.g. burakkucat, Zarjaz, tommy45).

Edited by deleted (Mon 26-Dec-16 18:44:47)

I can only apologize if I came across as rude, I obviously never intended to do so.

When I say that nobody uses the modem for authentication, that's based on what most people do. There are a few randoms that are using the modem as a router as you pointed out (for whatever reason), but I'd put money on over 95% of people who use the HG612 on BT use it as a modem only (including people who have flashed it like me and you).

Also as I said before, as you are using the Hub 5, it won't work in that configuration anyway.

If you were to configure the modem as a router (DHCP, auth, firewall, etc.), you could just have a switch or AP connected to it and have it do all of the work, but they really aren't designed for that. I have never tried it personally, but I can't imagine it's any good.

Edited by deleted (Tue 27-Dec-16 01:09:11)

It's worth bearing in mind that the HG612 doesn't have sufficient horsepower to run a full 80/20 connection, it tops out around 60 Mbps when running as a combined modem/router.

That's assuming he means he/she wants the BT Hub purely as a WAP. Any modem or router or switch could be called an "access point". That's why I asked for what is meant.

The rest of my list of questions remain of course. We are being asked how to make their chosen method work, when it is almost certainly the wrong method for whatever they wish to achieve. Along with #12 of the overclockers link we were given, neither poster seems to have a good reason for messing about.

The one in #12 clearly hasn't a clue what they are doing or why. Even though the main error is glaringly obvious. The OP seems to want to do what they are trying but with the inflexible BT Hub rather than a Netgear.

(I expect the post you just replied to was meant for me but the OP couldn't work out how to quote from your post in a reply to me.)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

. . . the other three have left departed, fed up with you.

I am still following this thread and if there is anything that I can type which will assist the OP then I will do so.

I keep trying to type things that will help, but they are all apparently unacceptable.

The only thing that would make any sense would be if they want the BT Hub some way away from the master socket to improve the wireless availability elsewhere.

Which would be a very simple task as we all know. But currently we seem to have a blank refusal to tell us the problem that is to be solved.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

It's worth bearing in mind that the HG612 doesn't have sufficient horsepower to run a full 80/20 connection, it tops out around 60 Mbps when running as a combined modem/router.

That's one of the points I was trying to get across to the OP, thanks

I did doubt the HG612 was powerful enough to be a router.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I keep trying to type things that will help, but they are all apparently unacceptable.

The only thing that would make any sense would be if they want the BT Hub some way away from the master socket to improve the wireless availability elsewhere.

Which would be a very simple task as we all know. But currently we seem to have a blank refusal to tell us the problem that is to be solved.

I think it's all based on a misunderstanding or a desire to configure the modem as a router which the OP found was possible from a overclockers post by people who possibly don't know what they're doing. I really can't see why anyone would configure the modem as a router especially baring in mind what BatBoy said, it can't even handle it.

This thread should probably be closed.

EDIT: I just read the overclockers link again, and the rest of the posts in that thread also things along the line of "why would you do this", "I don't know what the throuput would be like".

Edited by deleted (Tue 27-Dec-16 17:38:29)

As I suspected as well, having recently ditched both my unlocked HG612s, its modem component is distinctly inferior to more modern kit. To the tune of 7Mbps or more.

That's compared with three completely different manufacturers' kit all on the same line.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

As I suspected as well, having recently ditched both my unlocked HG612s, its modem component is distinctly inferior to more modern kit. To the tune of 7Mbps or more.

That's compared with three completely different manufacturers' kit all on the same line.

Out of interest, what hardware do you use instead of the HG612?

I was thinking about getting a different modem myself, but no matter what, I require a seperate modem router as it's almost impossible to get OpenWRT on VDSL modem/routers. I need OpenWRT as I have Sky (damn their bastardized version of MER).

Billion 8800NL R2.

I did try a Draytek Vigor 130 feeding my ASUS RT-N66U but that really upset DLM. Though from researching it looked an ideal combo. Fortunately I got it through Amazon and it went back four days after receipt.

I suggest you start a thread . But don't be surprised if it doesn't tell you much.

Currently suffering banding dating back months and worsened by the Draytek, but the Billion has substantially improved the level.

I think the advice given here has been very good.

It would be poor advice to give you info on using the HG612 as a modem & router as the device has very poor specs and your performance would suffer using it this way given you sync at 80/20.

The best advice is to use it as a modem ie reset it, and allow another device to handle the routing side of things.

Kindly let us know what you have the modem for, ie what you want to achieve and we can go from there?

In your case, given you have a HH5b, for the vast majority of customers it makes sense to just use that and not the HG612 at all, but I reserve judgement until I know your ideal usage case and why you got the modem in the first place.

In reply to a post by ukhardy07:

In your case, given you have a HH5b, for the vast majority of customers it makes sense to just use that and not the HG612 at all, but I reserve judgement until I know your ideal usage case and why you got the modem in the first place.

Your last paragraph is in exact alignment with my own thoughts.