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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 19-Jan-17 14:05:05
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Re: Cabinet full - splitters?


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Do the green boxes look like http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/fibre-cornwall/images/f...

and does the splitter at top of pole look identical to http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/fibre-cornwall/images/f...

It may also look like http://blog.thinkbroadband.com/wp-content/uploads/20... which is still FTTP but using the new deployment method

Whatever happens you will NOT be switched automatically to an FTTP service as the provider will need to be involved and not all of them sell FTTP.

As for 750m and full speed what a load of rubbish for VDSL2.

As for modifying wires, without decent photos impossible to say.

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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 19-Jan-17 17:11:06
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Re: Cabinet full - splitters?


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As for 750m and full speed what a load of rubbish for VDSL2.

Completely agree.

In the OP he mentions a 'new cab' for the ten new houses next .... that really isn't going to happen is it.

He also asks 'where do I complain ?' About what exactly ? His perceived issues ?

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(deleted) Thu 19-Jan-17 18:12:50
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In reply to a post by thesmileyone:
The new additions are on the top of the wiring on the telegraph poles around our property not the new development. They were neat and tidy and now there is a mass bundle on each top going to these little black blocks, they seem to run into the blocks then there is nothing going out of them. Look a right mess.


Generally, the copper at the top of a telegraph pole is terminated in a "DP" (distribution point). They take in a 10-way (or more) cable from the street duct, and separate out into separate cables per property.

Here is a relatively new one: Fairly new copper DP. Old ones can be other shapes (mine is a round one, looking like a fire bell).

Here is a copper DP, with a fibre manifold being added next to it: Copper and fibre.

Are you seeing anything like these?

Sometimes a pole doesn't just exist for the final drop into homes, but is also a route for the distribution cable - which would then run from pole to pole to pole.

In this case, you will see thicker cables running pole-pole, and thinner cables to each house. Sometimes the thicker cable needs to have a joint .... which can add to the mess.

In reply to a post by thesmileyone:
He said that the green cabinet 750m away was saturated, no more slots, but BT aren't prepared to put in a new cabinet so they are "splitting" our connections to make room for the new houses.

Maybe unrelated but I noticed today an engineer called round a neighbours who was not in. Then he got his ladders out and was fiddling around with the wire that goes from telegraph pole to neighbours house at house-end. It seems like they are modifying our wires somehow.


Whatever they are doing, it seems to be something relatively unusual and non-standard. Some photos will definitely help, though you will have to load them up to a separate website.

I use https://postimage.io/ for that job.

In reply to a post by thesmileyone:
He also said the cabinet is 750m away and so we should get full speed.

FWIW at my old address the cabinet was 1.3km away and I got almost twice the upload speed.


The problem is that distance is not the only aspect that matters - the thickness matters just as much too, as does the amount of interference from neighbouring lines.

The majority of BT's lines are 0.5mm copper. On this stuff, you can get 80/20 speeds out to around 350-400m without interference; speeds can drop below this with a lot of take-up. At 750m, I wouldn't expect more than 40-50Mbps at best.

Some of BT's lines can be thinner - 0.4mm. On this, top speeds are likely to only get 200-250m.

Some of BT's lines are thicker - 0.6mm and 0.9mm. In the case of 0.9mm stuff, the top speeds could go 2-3x the distance: 600-900m


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(deleted) Thu 19-Jan-17 18:19:50
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Photo of the modified Huawei FTTC Cabinet, with the obvious extension on the near side, to accommodate the wider back-planes, terminating the PCP to/from FTTC Cabinet.

I suspect that this is a factory modification to a Huawei 288 cabinet shell before erection on site; rather than an on-site modification, given the different widths of the Filter-Link back-plane modules - anyone know for sure?

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2016/06/bt-open...

There seems to be an error regarding the extra width of "14 mm", given that 1 inch is 25.4 mm.

In the photo, the extension looks about 2.5 to 3 inches wide (62 to 76 mm approximately)

I also question the extra cable pairs. Would "2*100 pairs" not be sufficient to cover 96 potential connections?
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(deleted) Wed 01-Feb-17 21:41:50
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None of those boxes look familiar except for a green rectangular box. The poles seem to just have 1-2 connectors on but I think telephone wire.

I saw them out earlier and they were measuring wire, it was blue wire... to the length of the pole up to the houses.

We used to get 3-4 disconnects per day for around 4-10 mins but the speed never drops below 3.2MB/s down.

Since this work we are now getting the same kind of disconnects almost every hour, just had one 15 mins ago. I can't even FTP stuff now because it corrupts the data when the internet drops out halfway through, and I run a business from home.

I guess I will have to ring Zen up about it, they are normally good. We got 6-10 weeks of building work on the house so waiting for that to go. Also our fibre speeds have nearly halfed since this wierd Openreach activity.

When I moved in I did a check on samknows it said the DSLAM was fully filled - no more room, so how can their suddenly be room for 10 more houses?

The worst thing is when you look at the new houses on rightmove etc it says 70MBPS available but that is clearly a lie, they will be lucky to get over 15MBPS now.
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(deleted) Thu 02-Feb-17 07:11:53
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Would a "party line" work in those circumstances?

I recall the many complaints about shared lines, being able to break in to the other party's conversation etc.
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(deleted) Thu 02-Feb-17 07:59:05
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Cabinets can be extended to house larger line cards, or a second cabinet may have been installed.
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(deleted) Thu 02-Feb-17 11:32:07
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Nothing has changed on the exterior of the cabinet


Getting used to seeing this quite often now
http://i.imgur.com/EXJjlyU.png
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(deleted) Thu 02-Feb-17 11:41:04
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In reply to a post by thesmileyone:
Nothing has changed on the exterior of the cabinet


Getting used to seeing this quite often now
http://i.imgur.com/EXJjlyU.png


Rather than uploading a screen grab to imgur why don't you just go to the pole and take a picture on your phone and upload than to imgur instead! Might help.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Thu 02-Feb-17 13:54:48
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In reply to a post by Icaras:
In reply to a post by thesmileyone:
Nothing has changed on the exterior of the cabinet


Getting used to seeing this quite often now
http://i.imgur.com/EXJjlyU.png


Rather than uploading a screen grab to imgur why don't you just go to the pole and take a picture on your phone and upload than to imgur instead! Might help.
I'm wondering what a screen grab of the poster's system clock and nothing else has to do with anything? I can't even imagine why that screen grab even exists.

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