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Do any tech gurus have any idea about this cabinet.
We've been here for 3 years and currently still only getting 1.5mbps max. Not sure if we class as a broadband 'notspot' or not but sure feels like it.
Recently there was some work done and the openreach site updated saying accepting orders. Then went back (the next day) to being 5 months where its remained for the past 3 months. I did get in touch with someone somewhere who suggested possibely Feb ?
Any ways of finding out? So frustrating living on such slow speeds
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Work is due to start Wednesday this week for the cab installation and power connection, although I heard a few weeks ago they were still awaiting the quote from NPG for the cost of the power - this may have now been sorted.
The Openreach site was a bug a few months back.
There was a delay in getting the wayleave granted as the fibre twin is not being sited on the path but on the grass where the existing PCP is located.
As far as I know the fibre spine work has already been completed so there should be no delays from that perspective as the fibre has been brought to the nearest joint box
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Thats is FANTASTIC news!! Hopefully it won't be too long from there and sometime in Feb or early march will be possible.
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It all depends but it can be as quick as that.
My parents cab around the corner near the vets in Moorside was accepting orders 20 days after the work started.
I think cab 62 on the estate was only about 4-5 weeks after but again, it all depends on what they find when they start doing the dig.
With it being a new estate I'm hoping there's no issues. We moved to a new build at the end of November and the 2.2meg we get is not really cutting it!
You'll see when the work starts as the cab is at the entrance of the estate, on the left hand side where the speedbump is 
Edited by deleted (Mon 06-Feb-17 11:35:11)
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a new build with 2.2mbps! I'm actually jealous of that!
We've been in for 3 years this month - intially it was 4 months before any internet then we've had 1.4-1.6 max since then!!!! I feeel your pain!!
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Yeah we live just opposite the current show home at the back end of the estate.
Initally the speed was 0.6mbps but a visit from Openreach identified that the shoddy cable that Bellway had installed from the external line into the master socket was the issue.
Hopefully the cab is ready soon and we'll be able to enjoy proper internet 
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Hi lee111s,
Where do you source this information?
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Now that would be telling 
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As expected, work began today
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Cabinet now sited but no power as of yet.
Will update in due course.
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have you moved to the bellway development of that cab
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Easrden View
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I have indeed.
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Hurrah to cabinet being in.
BT site now says 4 months (Was 5 months last week) - any changes it will be quicker than this do you think
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Not likely.
As I understand, the power connection for thos cabinet is not as straight forward as most.
The 4 months is purely an average estimate.
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Thanks Lee - quite typical! apparently new houses now need to have fibre enabled. Wish that had been the case a few yeas ago!.
You clearly live on the estate - where do you get your info?? do keep 'us updated!!!
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They don't *NEED* to have fibre, however Openreach now offer FTTP free to new build estates as of March last year. That said, the Bellway estate in Holystone which hasn't been going for long is still coppwr only, so Bellway haven't learned their lesson.
All of the new homes by the Pavillion are FTTP.
As I said, we moved into a new house in the Glades opposite the show home in November. As for my source, now that would be telling
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Ah thanks Lee! You literally are around the corner from me!
The source info is very useful though - wherever it comes from!
I"m not overly surpised at Bellway not learning lessons - I think they still have things to learn about house building given what ours was like when we moved in!!!
Might post in a couple weeks to see if you have any extra info.
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You'll know when something is happening, the path where the new cabinet is all the way to the roundabout will be dug up, I think the power is coming from a fair distance away.
If I hear anything else in the mean time, I'll post back
I've been mostly impressed with Bellway to be honest, no real major problems. Only thing outstanding is to fix the front door as it's letting cold air in, 5th attempt on Tuesday. If no resolution I'm settling for nothing less than a new door and frame!
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about 20 - 30 mpbs at maxx if your lucky based on the distance from the cab to that estate for Earsdon view (that was a copper only site which has been connected to a copper cab that being fibre enabled under BDUk programme
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the free FTTP is based on a first occupany date 9 months from the Registration date so bit more complicated that an first look
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My D-Side is 506m (measured on a JDSU)so speeds of around 50meg aren't out of the question. I only really need 15-20 really though, there's only two of us here.
Most houses on the cab are closer than we are, perhaps the houses that are still being built in the far corner may get 20-30meg. From the current 2, I'm sure people will be over the moon.
The only issue is that the tender was done some time ago, an so only a small Huawei has been installed.
Some 350 properties fighting for what will initally be one of 32 ports
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Yep I know that, but on the whole, there's very little excuse now for developers asking for copper only.
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I would assume it is an H288 cab that has been instralled rather than single H128
would expect more expect mpre that 32 being available
hoever the scoping was based before the Earsden view development was realised as it did not exisi9t
lucky that the development was placed on an existing copper cab that has been upgraded rather then getting a brand new copper cab not on any plan
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There's 2 cabs on the estate. 62, was provided with a H288 cab to serve a pcp with 204 connections.
When the tender was done for 63, it served only 98 properties( All Bellway newbuild), which is why a H128 was stood last week.
Cabs 62 and 63 are for this estate only. The first few phases connected to 62, more recent ones to 63.
The estate has been been being built for over 8 years now.
The issue with 63 is that all of the new houses built in the last few years have been connected to it, so the number of active lines now connected to the cab is far more than it was when the BDUK survey was done, hence the 128 cab. Openreach know it's a busy cab, additional E-sides had to be provisioned recently.
So whilst my postcode and a number of the other new postcodes didn't exist at the time of the survey and they're not part of the "intervention" obviously all properties connected to the cab will still have access to FTTC, until capacity is reached.
BDUK cabs only come with 20% capacity initially. Given the smallest line card used is now 32 ports, that's what's going to be installed.
I've raised this with the contact at NT council but I very much doubt the cab will be replaced with a larger one, and that a second cab will need provisioned in time. The speeds are so poor here, that I have no doubt that the cab is going to reach capacity very quickly, and there's going to be a number of upset residents having waited so many years for FTTC, that approx only 1/3 of the properties connected to 63 will be able to upgrade (perhaps 1/2 if the H128 expansion upgrade to 192 using 48 port line cards is done).
All could be avoided if a H288 was installed initially of course, but as often the case, Openreach, the builder and the BDUK don't communicate between each other
Edited by deleted (Sun 19-Feb-17 22:30:44)
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Really interested in the fact people seem to know lots about Whitley Bay...
Just moved from a Virgin area with lovely fast cable to somewhere I can only get (4Mbps  ) ADSL.
It's Whitley Lodge and we're served by cabinet 54 from the Whitley Bay exchange. Open reach suggest that it's a year away from getting sorted but the neighbours say that's been the case for a while.
Anyone know a way to find out more?
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I only know about my cabinet, as it's relevant to me.
It looks like they're at the "design" phase for your cab. Just need to keep an eye on the Openreach site.
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If there's any chance of sharing where you got your information that would be appreciated. If not then no worries.
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Mainly asking engineers working at the cab as well as the contractors who installed it.
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I think I may have to locate the cabinet and then stake it out!
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I think I may have to locate the cabinet and then stake it out!
Please be aware that the usual folk found working at these cabinets have as little info as you do, and are just going about their day to day work.
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Looks like the fibre is being terminated in the cab this morning, couple of guys in a white van have the cab open with reels of black and yellow cabling.
Still no more info on the power yet.
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Fibre was actually connected yesterday, spoke to the Avonline guys.
Now just awaiting power. Start of June if all goes to plan.
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Anybody got any updates on this one. Been 5 months now and nothing happening and website still showing 4 months (and has done since Feb)
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Awaiting Northern Powergrid still.
Power re-plan was needed and then a wayleave with a private land owner was required.
Edited by deleted (Thu 13-Jul-17 15:05:24)
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Cabinet is now accepting orders as of around lunch time today.
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First 64 ports gone in under 24 hours...
Cab now showing as busy needing extra line cards.
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That's must be a record fastest line card sold out
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I did warn the BDUK and Openreach that a H128 cab for a PCP with 300 lines and an average ADSL speed of 1meg wouldn't be sufficient, but they know best of course.
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They should have H288 cab instead
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BDUK specifying a H288 with line cards from start means them paying for it.
Filling up the gap funded part, then means that Openreach have to stump up the upgrade costs for more line cards etc
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The real reason is that it's a new estate and when the tender was done, there were less than 128 lines active on the cab. As a result, only a 128 was budgeted for. They don't go back and re-check before the planning or build work starts.
That was some 2 years or so ago, there are now over 300 houses connected to the cabinet.
Got my port so it's not an issue for me, but a lot of people won't be happy.
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It's ridiculous. Does anyone have any idea how long it will take to add more capacity? Will a new cabinet be needed?
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2 more 32 port line cards will be added, usually one at a time, probably take a few weeks.
After they're both full it'll either be a new cab needed, or upgrades to the current one to utilise higher density line cards, taking tha maximum connections on the cabinet to 192.
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Thanks. This seems very short sighted by Openreach, given the current connection speeds on the estate. I don't think I can handle another year of 1.5Mb ADSL broadband!
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Council partly to blame, the survey was done a couple of years ago.
Expect more line cards in the coming weeks, rather than years.
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It's ridiculous. Does anyone have any idea how long it will take to add more capacity? Will a new cabinet be needed?
It's a question of "how long is a piece of string?" My BDUK funded vdsl2 cab (NSICL #6, Huawei 288) went live in April 2014 and since then it seems to be permanently full. It shows as being full for months a time, then starts accepting orders for a day or two, then full for a few months, ad infinitum...
Edited by deleted (Tue 08-Aug-17 14:39:50)
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If your cab is totally full, then it will likely only show accepting orders when someone ceases their service...that is until someone else the snaps up the spare port.
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Similar thing round my way.
The PCP has around 900 lines connected and an ECI 256, and then my estate with 80 houses is built aimed a first time buyers or those with young families. When I moved in I got the last available port on the cabinet and the cabinet has had a waiting list for the past 9 months with the exception of the odd couple of days here and there when I assume ports have become free.
This cabinet was part of the commercial rollout and so far Openreach don't appear to have any plans to increase capacity. I've been trying to drum up support to possibly community fund a cabinet for the estate because of the current low fibre speeds on the Phase 2 area of the development but not getting much support apart from those that are currently waiting for fibre.
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But financially prudent given the number of estates where talk of higher premise figures never materialised, or demand was lower than expected...
Understanding all the variables is the difficult part and you don't know if on a new build whether it will be 'hate the Internet' or embrace the Internet people buying it.
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Have you had a quote from OR as to how much it would cost?
I'd expect with the fibre and power already beign closeby, it wouldn't be anywhere near the "average" £24.... of which you'd only need to co fund half?
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More a short-sighted developer for not having made the appropriate arrangements but instead leaving it for others.
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The pcp was installed about 7 years ago so fttc not really a big thing.
The houses have sold well, so obviously not as much of an issue for most, or perhaps an oversight for buyers. If people voted with their feet I've no doubt the developer would have had little choice but to co fund a cab with OR.
We bought late into the development so knew FTTC was on the way. If there was no prospect of anything, we would have looked elsewhere.
Edited by deleted (Tue 08-Aug-17 14:46:03)
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Yeah I'm not blaming anyone specifically, just an unfortunate result of the circumstances.
Just so happens the estate is mostly young familes with kids, most of which desire higher bandwidth than 1.5meg.
My post above still standa though, if people refused to buy because of the internet speeds, there likely wouldn't be the issue there is.
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I haven't yet, I just want to see what sort of support there is. Unfortunately those on the Phase 1 part of the estate seem quite happy with the 20-35 Mbps the currently get.
I suppose the cheaper option would be to find out how much it would cost to bring a cable from a chamber outside the estate. Essentially reinstating the temporary cable that provided phone and internet to the sales and site offices that Openreach physically removed back in February. Some of the Phase 2 properties, including mine, were accidentally connected to this cable and got around 32 Mbps. Much better than the 10-15 Mbps we get now.
The DSL checker still reflects the original impacted range of 20-35 Mbps.
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When I was buying the house, I asked about the Internet and was told the Internet speed was 'good'. Apart from the house, location and amenities tend to be the main things buyers look out for and things such as the Internet tend to be overlooked. You just expect that it will be in place quickly. What I didn't do was follow this up, or checked the speeds. Having known the timings or the speeds I would be getting, it would have made me consider elsewhere, given that I need to work from home. In that regard, I hold the developer accountable, in the same way they pushed Leaseholds (another topic for another forum!).
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Bellway sales in surpise "telling the customer what they want to hear shocker"!
Indeed, it's caveat emptor. Luckily I moved here in November and knew the braodband improvement was impending.
I also bought the freehold, as I didn't want to be caught up in that mess.
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Take up rates can be very variable even in low apeed areas. Openreach being cautious with there investment
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More line cards now added
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Full again!
That's another 64 ports gone, again in less than 24 hours.
I tried to warn OR and Digital Durham when they installed the small cab in February but they didn't want to know.
Ho hum
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People must be watching the OR checker to get orders in that quick or can you order ahead?
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With 1mbps knowing how ports aren't available wouldn't you be? Haha
Only enough ports provisioned for around 1/3 of properties connected to the PCP, so they're hot property!
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In most areas 1/3rd would be close to enough - take up is not that much higher than that on average.
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Where the average speed of the estate is 1.5mbps, I expect takeup is way higher than 1/3.
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Indeed, but the normal process would be to install and then upgrade as they go. If they put in too much capacity then it has a knock on effect - minor for a single cab but large if it happened across the estate. So, they use the normal process - install the standard amount then upgrade as it gets full. Not sure what modelling they would use to work out how many customers might connect to ensure they don't waste capacity - it appears their model is incorrect in this case.
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I managed to order mine at midnight yesterday but it looks like the cabinet is full again already! You literally have to check several times a day. It's crazy. I wonder how much capacity remains in that cabinet now?
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Not with BDUK cabinets as far as I know. They should provision enough capacity for everyone in the intervention postcodes to be able to access superfast speeds. The issue on this estate is some of the postcodes didn't exist when the tender process was done, and they are technically not supposed to have access to superfast speeds, but in reality, we all know it matters not as long as your line goes through the enabled cabinet.
Openreach installed a larger BDUK funded H288 cab on the other half of the estate (phase 1) which is served by a different PCP with only ~220 properties.
It all stems down to the BDUK tender being done for the existing postcodes when there were only 100 or so lines on cab 63 and not all of the current postcodes existing. This is despite Openreach knowing it was an ongoing new build estate as they would have been told by the builder how many properties were expected to be built, so they could provision enough E-Sides (which they have also failed to do on a number of occasions). Openreach didn't relay that to the BDUK team or have the forward thinking to expect demand to be high given the very poor ADSL speeds on the estate. However it probably wouldn't have mattered as the BDUK funds I assume have to be proven to be spend on X number of properties in Y postcodes, they couldn't spend money on prospective postcodes.
A large number of folk get 0.6mbps in the test socket
Fingers crossed they are able to install a new cab, or at least perform the high density upgrade to the cab to give an extra 64 ports with relatively little work.
Edited by deleted (Wed 16-Aug-17 10:12:00)
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None. It's completely full.
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Last card installed. Capacity now back available
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Yeah I noticed last night thanks. I'd previously been told be the coucil that 64 were added last week, then they came back and advised only one line card had been.
Mine went live this morning, first on the cab. 19dB attenuation, currently in sync at 79987 with a 90meg attainable alrhough fully expecting that to dwindle over the coming weeks as the ports go live.
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NOTE: Council is not contributing to the cost of the new cards, if cabinets under BDUK umbrella were meant to be installed with 100% capacity from day one then Openreach would happily do so I suspect but with a much higher level of gap funding....
Now on cabinets where demand is high and gainshare working then not an issue, but for other cabinets seeing lower take-up then an issue.
Given BDUK projects were generally on a fixed budget the result would have been enabling less cabinets.
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I know that, but they are still in contact with Openreach and have been relaying the information given
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And now full again...
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That's it then...
Nor more until either a high density upgrade to the cabinet, or, a second cab installed.
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HD side pod added on Monday or Tuesday.
Loss of connection last night for about 20 minutes around 2am. Neighbour saw 2 OR vans at the cab around 1:30am as they were heading out for work. I assume they were adding the HD line cards.
Not sure if the additional tie pairs have been done. Still not showing as any capacity but I suspect it won�t be long.
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