Best ISP for FTTP

Just happen to look on DSL Checker & noticed that FTTP on Demand has been added & is now available to me.
Any good offers around, any particular isp better than others for FTTP.

Edited by Nightglow (Wed 15-Mar-17 17:32:44)

FTTP and FTTPoD are not the same financially, with FTTPoD only supplied on 330/30 or higher connection speeds.

FTTP is available from a few ISPs, FTTPoD also few, but is only for people who can already get FTTC.

It is a minimum cost to the ISP of £1100 installation and rental of £1188 per year. Plus wholesale costs and profits for them, plus VAT.

Over 200 metres from the "aggregation point" which tends to be near the FTTC cabinet the installation cost goes up steeply.

All installations also subject to survey and possible extra cost if it's a trick job.

Still interested?

Edited by RobertoS (Wed 15-Mar-17 17:41:44)

We will just forget that idea then.

There are a couple of people on the forum looking seriously at it at the moment. Way above my budget!

What speeds do you get at the moment?

At present there's just one isp selling Openreach based 330/30 FTTP On demand - www.fluidone.com (you will need to call them up for pricing)

I placed an order with them around mid Feb, had the survey done a couple of days ago and expect to have the service installed in a few weeks.

Its costing me £300 per month on a min 3 year term and £3700 installation costs. After 3 years i can move to a native FTTP service, eg BT Infinity 4 and pay ~ £50 per month for the same 330/30 service or stay with Fluidone and take their cheaper native FTTP packages....hopefully their soon-to-be-released 1000/220 mbps service will be reasonably priced in 3 years time

Edited by deleted (Thu 16-Mar-17 06:44:09)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

There are a couple of people on the forum looking seriously at it at the moment. Way above my budget!

What speeds do you get at the moment?

Managed to get my line moved due to various issues, presently getting 75/14 up from 14/2 before the move.

Do you need more?

Apart from the price one of the problems with FTTPoD as a service for consumers is the 3 year term.

Ofcom's General Condition 9 requires Communications Providers do not offer consumers a contractual term greater than 24 months. Communications Providers must also offer the option of a contract with a maximum duration of 12 months.

When a CP has a 3 year commitment with BT it effectively prevents them from selling FTTPoD to consumers.

Unless it's a misprint on their website, how do Spectrum Internet offer it on a 2 year term?

I know you could in theory offer a 2 year contract, pricing in the 3rd year hold to term charges, but this is hardly a solution.

But surely that 3 year term is there in order to pay off all/most of the construction related costs? I'm sure you know laying fibre to a property costs serious money, the other option would be for the CP to pay the full construction costs up front (I imagine it would be £10k at least) but then that would scare off even more potential punters. I prefer paying off the full costs over x years (think of it as a 'mini mortgage') rather than a five figure sum up front.

I don't think many punters are expecting to get FoD installed for £9.99 per month on a min 12 month term with the first 6 months for £4.99 per month and a £500 pre-paid mastercard thrown in. With free installation of course

Anyway why did Zen stop selling Fibre On demand? According to a poster FoD-v1 was selling like hot cakes (mainly businesses) and Openreach couldn't keep up with the demand...

Edited by deleted (Thu 16-Mar-17 15:26:08)

OFCOM restricting customer choice again.

Anyway why did Zen stop selling Fibre On demand? According to Zarjaz FoD-v1 was selling like hot cakes (mainly businesses) and Openreach couldn't keep up with the demand...

We ran a small FTTPoD trial to test the processes etc. At the time, like many other CPs, we felt the installation experience needed some improvement by Openreach.

Demand was limited, mainly due to cost.

OFCOM or BT?

I would say it's a positive thing for consumers not being tied up in length contracts.

I do hope that at some point, we see the 36 month term disappear, or at least some version of FoD designed for consumers.

Maybe,, but consumers should be given the choice of going for longer contracts. You can enter a personal car please plan for 36 or 60 month and that is a lot more expensive so why not an agreement for connectivity?

It's to the detriment of consumers having long term contracts for telecommunications though. If you open an ISP to being able to offer 24 and 36 month contracts, then they will do exactly that - but as minimum terms.

With huge competition between the ISPs on initial sign up deals these days, it makes perfect sense to allow consumers not to be locked into a longer term contract. This gives the consumer the freedom to shop around for the best deal, if they want.

I didn't say that, you have me confused with someone else I suspect.

On the other hand, I agree entirely with your view re paying for it all.

Same old same old.

People want the best for the least amount of money. Just doesn't work for FTTPoD.

Apologies, I must have got you mixed up with someone else - message edited accordingly.

Edited by deleted (Thu 16-Mar-17 15:27:02)

Cheers Baby F.

In reply to a post by AndyHCZ:

It's to the detriment of consumers having long term contracts for telecommunications though. If you open an ISP to being able to offer 24 and 36 month contracts, then they will do exactly that - but as minimum terms.

Long contract terms are a detriment to consumers when most of the network is already installed - in the ground, or up on the poles.

When every service you could possibly hope for runs on that installed network, then boilerplate restrictions from Ofcom are appropriate.

When the service that the consumer wants is beyond the norm, and most of the network needs building, boilerplate restrictions suddenly appear to be out of date. Instead of acting like a sensible limitation on ISP behaviour, they suddenly act like a ball and chain, stopping adventurous ISPs from being able to offer the most forward-looking services.

Regulation, like generals, seems to be about winning the previous war. Not the next one.

ajays

I am sure that you appriciate it but others may not. The limitation of 24 months only applies to CONSUMERS it can be as long as they like for Businesses.

This is why it is Business suppliers who are providing it and on business terms. They are not consumer offers and are not covered by OFCOMs protections for consumers.