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I am thinking of moving house, and the property I am looking at is on the same cabinet as me. It can get FTTP on Demand; however, this property wouldn't be able to get FTTC (too far from the cab).
How is FTTP on Demand deployed? Is it alongside the normal phone line on poles or does it need more extensive work? Is there a risk that I wouldn't be able to get service?
I need fast internet for my business and the costs would be covered (or indeed for a leased line if FTTP/od didn't work and I guess the same probems apply) so it's really trying to understand whether there would be a refusal to supply...
Best wishes
James
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If you're too far from the cab for FTTC expect you'll be a considerable distance from the AG node.
The prices for installations over 1500m start to get crazy expensive.
That plus the £300 a month rental...
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As lee syas. Plus:-
Openreach price list for what they charge providers. Ex Vat of course but I expect that is recoverable. The dark blue lines are the current prices.
So a minimum installation of £750 + £350, and you are clearly way beyond 199 metres from the aggregation point, which tends to be reasonably close to the cabinet. Those aren't fixed prices either, they are minima dependent on survey which could find difficulties and raise the price.
Then you have to add wholesaler and possibly retail costs and profit margins ....
Fluidone are the flavour of the month if you wish to go deeper.
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I suggest at you approach FluidOne for a quote, for which you will have to pay.
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Also worth looking at linebroker.co.uk for leased line comparisons. I've heard people mention you can get a 1 gig leased line for as low as £700 per month (with no setup costs) but in my area I was quoted £1300 pm so prices will vary.
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If it's going to be a long term home though, fttpod is likely the winner, given you can change to a regular fttp package after 3 years.
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If it's going to be a long term home though, fttpod is likely the winner, given you can change to a regular fttp package after 3 years.
That's true, but it all boils down to how much the OP is quoted for construction costs for FTTPoD. If he's quoted ~50k, which isn't unrealistic if he's miles away from the nearest AN, then it might work out cheaper to get a 300/500/1000 mbps leased line now with zero construction/setup costs for 3 years - 3 year deals are often the cheapest at linebroker. At the end of the 3 years he can see if the setup costs of FTTPoD have dropped. I totally agree though, FTTPoD works out cheaper in the long run...providing the construction costs aren't insane.
Edited by deleted (Tue 18-Apr-17 10:06:44)
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Will be considering it myself when the my cab is eventually connected to the power grid!
Expected speeds of 30meg. Just bought this house and planning to be here for 20 years plus, thankfully after the 3 years I'd get my connection for free, providing I'm still with my current employer, so depending on costs it might very well make sense.
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Bearing in mind that from somewhere the OP has gathered the property is too far from the cabinet for FTTC. That suggests a minimum installation charge of over £5,000. The estimates from the BT Wholesale checker might give us a clue.
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It all depends really, the AG node could actually be closer to the customer than the cab, depending on how the network and ducting is in the area.
As the distance calculation from th AG node is done in a radial manor, not as duct length, then it may not be as far a dsitance compared to the route the line takes.
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I wonder if that is actually true in reality? Friends are under 1km radially from an aggregation node , however they are over 3km from a cabinet and 9 or 10km to the exchange (line lengths).
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That suggests a minimum installation charge of over £5,000. Also worth keeping in mind that not all cabinets appear to be near aggregations nodes. I have one connection on a ~300m long line (house to FTTC cabinet) and on requesting an FTTPoD quote for that I was told it wasnt viable as it was too far from the aggregation node (>8km).
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Also worth keeping in mind that not all cabinets appear to be near aggregations nodes. I have one connection on a ~300m long line (house to FTTC cabinet) and on requesting an FTTPoD quote for that I was told it wasnt viable as it was too far from the aggregation node (>8km). I would be very surprised if that was the case. I've never known an AN to be anywhere near that distance from an FTTC cabinet.
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I too was surprised as at the time I was hopeful for that one being so close to the cabinet.
That said, the feedback I was given was that it was "too far from the node" and based on the FTTPoD distance table band K being 8000m and above I have perhaps assumed "too far" meant beyond 8000m but perhaps Openreach have a lower cut off band that they use from the table that they consider "too far"?
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Indeed it's very strange, barring incorrect records by Openreach (I wouldn't be surprised), perhaps the cabinet AG node was at capacity or couldn't be used for some other reason?
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If you're too far from the cab for FTTC expect you'll be a considerable distance from the AG node.
The prices for installations over 1500m start to get crazy expensive.
That plus the £300 a month rental...
Good point about distance from the cab; it is a bit curious that the property in question does not offer FTTC when it looks to me like it is 1.5miles by road (=2400m). Is there a way I can tell what the true distance is? Could fluidone tell?
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I haven't pasted the address since it's only a property I am considering buying. The Cabinet is the same one I am currently connected to which for my address search shows VDSL available (waiting list), but they have just installed a new (additional) cabinet which hasn't quite gone live yet.
This is from an address search. I also know the phone number of a neighbour to the property which shows the same details (ie FTTC not listed)
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To be honest it is different for every location.
You could indeed be closer to the node than your are the cabinet, it all depends on how the network in the area has been deployed.
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Likely the copper line is too far.
Without placing an order,, you won't know the distance from the node I doubt.
I think once they estimate the distance they can tell you the rough price for the install but not the total price until the survey is done (you must pay £250 if you pull out after the survey).
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The OP can ask Fluidone for a free no obligation quote. If he's happy to pay the quoted costs he can place the order, if the quoted costs increase after the survey (ie excess construction charges apply) then he can pull out without paying any penalty. Fluidone made this very clear to me when I placed the Fttpod order with them ( no ecc's in my case). The threat of the £250 penalty is designed to keep away the Vicky Pollard "yeah but no" types 
Edited by deleted (Tue 18-Apr-17 22:00:04)
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Apologies, I'd joined the dots up wrong when reading through your other posts.
Thanks for clarifying
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