FTTP on Demand?

Hi,

When I put my details in the dslchecker site:

https://i.imgur.com/BWVtmd4.png

Does that mean I can get 330Mbps? I am not sure, any advice, thanks

You can.

However you'll need to pay a few grand up front in construction costs, plus around £300 a month for 3 years.

If you are willing to pay £1000+ install fee and £200+ per month it means they'll extend the fibre from the existing 'cabinet' location all the way to your home.

This is not the same as what most people mean when they talk about WBC-FTTP (also called native FTTP or GEA-FTTP), which is available at sub £100 install and starts at ~£40/m

You probably have this on copy-paste by now, I asked the same thing earlier

What interests me is that no carrier I've seen actually offers this £1k+ install and £200+/month plan. So for example, Zen lists their FTTP as being Native FTTP and FTTP On Demand is only offered through special channels?

Wow, thats crazy money, I'm happy with the 80/20mbps, thats speed wouldn't benefit me.

In reply to a post by JB68:

Wow, thats crazy money

and the reality is that the wholesale cost is £200/month, current retail cost is typically £300+VAT per month on a 36 month contract.

Depends on how bad you need it ! If you have a few bods working in a home office it could make good sense.

I assume that the increase in questions about FTTPod or G-Fast etc is because people are starting to realise that the common FTTC speeds are now starting to look a bit slow and people want faster speeds.
The more devices that people own, bigger households as kids cant afford to leave home all adds to the demand - I myself have 60 odd devices in my household, even more when people come to visit and Im still stuck on 4mb ADSL on a good day, try and juggle that massive bandwidth (God bless my Synology Routers Traffic management). We are being Fibred this year (at last) and from my investigations im almost certain its going to be native FTTP, quite frankly Ill be upset if its anything less than that. Crikey, I remember when work paid for a ISDN line 64k, that was fast!

I did research for having fibre installed at our offices in central London, Hyperoptic offered installation of 100/100 Mbit for £1000 and £450/month.

We ended up going with a 50Mbit (don't know upload yet) through some MPLS thing (main ISP is in another country and subcontracted to Talk Talk Business) and we had BT Openreach send contractors who mucked up the fibre, then real BT Openreach engineers who had to fix the fibre running into the building then do work on the street because the contractors cut the cables on a node or something

Anyhow, I'm wondering if what they're installing now is in fact, FTT{ on Demand, it is probably costing just as much as the Hyperoptic...

Leased line or equivalent and dedicated 100 Mbps symmetric of bandwidth guaranteed to the Internet, i.e. no contention which does cost a fair bit of money

Not so sure, my impression is people hear FTTP solves your broadband problems and they see FTTP on checker, not knowing the difference between FoD and native FTTP, checker wording is confusing too.

The demand for the top 300 Mbps tiers on Virgin Media and demand on the other FTTH providers for fastest speeds is not over whelming, the purchasing patterns follow a predictable pattern of sell three products, cheap entry, medium and gold plated. The majority go for the middle on almost no matter what the specification (think about it when shopping next and deciding over different brands/own-brand in the supermarket)

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

my impression is people hear FTTP solves your broadband problems and they see FTTP on checker, not knowing the difference between FoD and native FTTP, checker wording is confusing too.

Agree.
But more simply, even if someone has no knowledge of broadband terminology or technical implementation differences, they see a line entry on the BT DSL checker results page that shows a 330 Mbps service as "Available", a number far larger than anything else on offer and that starts them on the path of finding out what it is and how much it will cost.

Whereupon using the search button in the menu here to see if the question has been asked before would save both the enquirer and everyone a lot of time and effort .

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

The demand for the top 300 Mbps tiers on Virgin Media and demand on the other FTTH providers for fastest speeds is not over whelming,

The majority go for the middle on almost no matter what the specification

When VM had tiers of 50, 100 and 200, they had roughly 50% of subscribers below 100Mbps, and 50% on 100Mbps or higher.

That shows that demand for the higher tiers is a maximum of 50% of their subscribers. The real demand might be lower, because some proportion of the TV subscribers will be bundled with higher tiers whether they want them or not.

Currently, VM have 3.7m TV subscribers and 4.9m broadband subscribers, so the number affected could be significant.

In reply to a post by craski:

a number far larger than anything else on offer and that starts them on the path of finding out what it is and how much it will cost.

And, once they find out the price, tend to take it no further.

The phenomenon is repeated in Australia, where 80% of FTTP users have chosen the bottom two tiers (12/1 and 25/5 speeds). As Mr Saffron notes about purchasing behaviour, the largest group is the second one...
https://s28.postimg.org/mbig9znsd/NBN-_Package_Mix-2...

That pattern is almost identical on the VDSL2 tech.

In reply to a post by WWWombat:

In reply to a post by craski:

a number far larger than anything else on offer and that starts them on the path of finding out what it is and how much it will cost.

And, once they find out the price, tend to take it no further.

The phenomenon is repeated in Australia, where 80% of FTTP users have chosen the bottom two tiers (12/1 and 25/5 speeds). As Mr Saffron notes about purchasing behaviour, the largest group is the second one...
https://s28.postimg.org/mbig9znsd/NBN-_Package_Mix-2...

That pattern is almost identical on the VDSL2 tech.

It is a pity that the link does not show the pricing, because that presumably has a big impact on what people choose.

In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:

It is a pity that the link does not show the pricing, because that presumably has a big impact on what people choose.

I just checked with iinet.net.au, and it seems like
- AUS$70pm for unlimited data at 12/1.
- AUS$80pm for unlimited data at 25/5.
- AUS$100pm for unlimited data at 100/40.

That's £40, £46 and £58. The call packages vary across those options, with the middle package being quite generous; to get the same call package alongside the 100/40 speed actually costs AUS$110pm

Well thank you form the reply. I do suspect that the way the pricing works, makes the 25/5 option a popular choice.

Tough to compare against the UK as the wages and amenities tend to be higher.

Tough to compare against the UK in an absolute sense, but I wasn't trying to.

The real comparison is the relative cost of the different service levels, where the jump from 12/1 to 25/5 is £6 and the jump from 25/5 to 100/40 is £12.

Here, Plusnet prices increase by £5 from an ADSL2+ service to 40/2 fibre, and then another £5 from 40/2 to 80/20 fibre.

In both countries, a mere extra £5 or £10 per month (or so) is enough to make people think again.