FTTP On Demand

So FTTP on demand is now showing for my address for up to 330M. Who could I actually order from for this service?. Who are people using?

Do a search on the Forum for FFPoD, it's not as easy as it sounds. Expensive set-up and monthly fees (£100's).

Currently only Fluidone sell the Openreach variant of FTTPoD, if you live in SW England/S Wales then Spectrum Internet may be able to supply you as well.

I have the service on order from Fluidone, cost me £3700 in setup costs and 300 notes per month in service charges on a 3 year min term. After 3 years I can take out a native FTTP product with significantly lower monthly charges. My service is almost live, just waiting for BT Wholesale/Openreach to transfer the FTTP line over to Fluidone. Took ~ 3 months for the FTTPoD installation.

Edited by deleted (Fri 26-May-17 21:48:17)

Is there any prospect of there being a higher upload speed on the FTTPoD service? Seems a total waste to pay the enormous expense of installing a new fibre cable when the upload is "only" 30Mbit/s!

I really mean to say, is your current installation forwards compatible with when/if Openreach/BTW decide to actually sell a 1000/220 or similar FTTPoD service. It's in the price lists already but I take it they're not offering it yet.

Also, how the hell did you finance the installation? Loan? Or did you just have that amount floating around...

Doesn't BT Business claim to do it? I read something earlier that suggested it, when I searched these forums.

What Openreach provide for ISPs to order, and what ISPs then choose to offer to potential customers are two very different things.

Openreach are simply providing one underlying product with a few speed caps below the maximum. It used to be called "charging for facilities" or similar. Whether it still is I don't know.

ISPs have to look at the costs of providing backhaul for what are in mass-market terms extreme products, that are unlikely to have much take-up for at least five years. So not recouping the backhaul costs for a very long time. It is oft-publicised that most domestic users take the lowest fibre offering they can.

Medium-sized businesses act very similarly. Big business isn't in this market. They have specialist providers with specialist support and service guarantees. A few of those may already offer it, but they certainly won't be advertising where we might see it.

In reply to a post by pernickitypedant:

I really mean to say, is your current installation forwards compatible with when/if Openreach/BTW decide to actually sell a 1000/220 or similar FTTPoD service. It's in the price lists already but I take it they're not offering it yet.

Correct, once you have FTTPoD installed then you should be able to upgrade to the higher speed 500mbps & 1gbps packages with better upload speeds - after the 3 year min term if not during the term. But as you say, no ISP is selling the higher tier packages yet despite OR announcing them a few months ago. Also i believe 330/30 FTTP(oD) users will eventually get 50mbps upload speeds in order to match G.Fast max upload speeds.

In reply to a post by pernickitypedant:

Also, how the hell did you finance the installation? Loan? Or did you just have that amount floating around...

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Edited by deleted (Fri 26-May-17 22:33:49)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Doesn't BT Business claim to do it? I read something earlier that suggested it, when I searched these forums.

Nup, BT Biz don't sell FTTPoD anymore. Though chances are their incompetent sales staff will provide a quote however the order will fail.

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/f/4526073-bt-...

Ah, yes. That was the thread. I was lazy and didn't re-read it all. Sorry.

On the main question though I seem to remember that the initial 330/30 and the newer faster ones are not using the same infrastructure kit? That it isn't a straight software switch to upgrade. Different hardware somewhere in the fibre run.

Edited by RobertoS (Fri 26-May-17 22:45:35)

Do you know how far you were from your local DP and cabinet? I'm 12m from the Drop Point and 375m from the cabinet. So I'm guessing they would have to blow fiber to the DP 375m.

It's also worth noting that VMBusiness are now providing their leased line options(In this area,) through this. I was given a quote for 100/100 with free install based on a 349 monthly term for 3 years obviously the tails are different but the physical fiber they were going to lay had no way of being anywhere other that through the Openreach ducting as the sales guy provided the exact same details BT gave me on how close i was to their closest node.

Would be nice to see some stats and routes your connection takes also the latency you are provided to London and europe once it's live if thats possible .

FTTPoD Setup costs are based on distance to the nearest fibre aggregation node, not to the DP or cabinet. According to BT/OR around 96% of FTTC users are within 2km of an ag node. I was charged band D construction/setup costs of 3.7k, it was something like 800m to the ag node. I think even you live on top of the ag node expect to pay at least 1.5k. In the no-obligation quote from Fluidone they mention the band your property falls in.

Yeah once the service goes live I'll create a new thread giving my experience & stats, however being based in North Scotland I'm not expecting single digit ping times. Will be happy with anything less than 20ms on fibre, currently get around 22ms on FTTC.

Ah ok makes more sense! thanks for the info.

This is my current routing from central scotland. TTB FTTC

Tracing route to multiplay.co.uk [85.236.96.26]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 5 ms 4 ms 21 ms 81.1.113.22
2 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms host-78-151-225-141.static.as13285.net [78.151.225.141]
3 10 ms 11 ms 10 ms host-78-151-226-228.as13285.net [78.151.226.228]
4 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms host-78-144-9-15.as13285.net [78.144.9.15]
5 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms 195.66.236.224
6 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms 185.97.60.3
7 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms ha01.multiplay.co.uk [85.236.96.26]

Trace complete.

The fibre doesn't come from the cab, it comes from an aggregation node.

In reply to a post by Saltank:

Do a search on the Forum for FFPoD, it's not as easy as it sounds. Expensive set-up and monthly fees (£100's).

I just searched for FFPoD as suggested, and only 1 post came up!

Saltank did a typo. It should be FTTPoD. (Just in case you aren't joking).

Edited by RobertoS (Sat 27-May-17 10:21:13)

Yes I realised it should have been FTTPoD (but FFPoD is quite a difference!), and I thought my bolding would have made it obvious I knew.
Perhaps I should have chosen a different smiley!

Edited by Rastus (Sat 27-May-17 10:30:29)

thank you all. Looks like limited suppliers. I only asked as I could only see the ones mentioned and wondered if there were others.

But... at the costs some of you are paying, I am going to carry on with the fttc service I have for now. Looks like a true fibre connection for a payable cost, of any sort, is truly years away.

On a custom basis costs are never going to cheap, only if any operator decides to bring it to an area on a widespread basis is connection pricing going to drop.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Saltank did a typo. It should be FTTPoD. (Just in case you aren't joking).

Whoops. Definitely meant FTTPoD

At least one possible meaning of FFPoD could be closely allied to a major usage of the net .