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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 18-Jun-17 12:10:39
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No master socket


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A house I'm buying has no normal master socket. It has a weird grey faceplate in the porch that says "PostOffice Telecommunications". From that two tiny little phone sockets have been wired off into different rooms:
https://gyazo.com/c77fd90edb75f2b2457568f1600c708d
I've never seen one of these before.

Is this going to be a problem - getting OpenReach ... or anything else.
I believe the road does have both FTTC and cable.

Thanks!
Standard User MHC
(sensei) Sun 18-Jun-17 12:33:43
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What do the sockets look like? Have you unscrewed one to see what is behind?


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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 18-Jun-17 12:36:10
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I've not opened the grey thing. The other sockets are what you would expect to see on the end of a cheapo DIY phone extension. Too small to dismantle or have anything else inside.


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Standard User MHC
(sensei) Sun 18-Jun-17 12:41:48
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Re: No master socket


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There are masters in small 65 mm square boxes - and they look a bit like teh cheap extensions. Can you put up an image of one?


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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 18-Jun-17 12:48:24
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Re: No master socket


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Unfortunately I don't have any photos. I would have thought they were both smaller than even that size.
Standard User burakkucat
(experienced) Sun 18-Jun-17 14:09:25
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In reply to a post by cantoris:
A house I'm buying has no normal master socket. It has a weird grey faceplate in the porch that says "PostOffice Telecommunications". From that two tiny little phone sockets have been wired off into different rooms:
https://gyazo.com/c77fd90edb75f2b2457568f1600c708d
I've never seen one of these before.
That is a perfectly normal BT66 and, as such, is no problem.

Your description of the sockets within the property suggests that there might be cause for concern. However without sight of how everything is connected together the situation is currently an unknown.

The worst case scenario is that you would require an Openreach technician's visit "to normalise the wiring and to fit an NTE5/C with SSFP".

The key phrase is within the quotation marks, above.

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Edited by burakkucat (Sun 18-Jun-17 14:10:49)

Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 18-Jun-17 14:34:50
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The replies you have been given are correct, as to wether the set up is 'star wired' would be revealed by a further photo of whats inside the 'grey box (A BT66 is the Openreach term for them)

Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 18-Jun-17 15:51:34
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Excellent, many thanks for the info!

As far as I'm concerned, all the weird piddly internal sockets can be removed. I only need one decent one.

When I move in and want to get BT Infinity ordered, what would be the quickest way to ensure it can all get sorted - preferably in one visit?
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sun 18-Jun-17 16:50:38
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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 18-Jun-17 16:57:39
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You can request a "managed install" from your broadband provider, that way is the safest option as an Openreach engineer will be sent to your house to run a quality test on the phone line as well as upgrade the socket to ensure compatibility with FTTC

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Standard User burakkucat
(experienced) Sun 18-Jun-17 17:42:52
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In reply to a post by cantoris:
When I move in and want to get BT Infinity ordered, what would be the quickest way to ensure it can all get sorted - preferably in one visit?
When ordering the service, just state that there is currently no master socket and that an Openreach technician's visit will be required "to normalise the wiring and to fit an NTE5/C with SSFP".

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 18-Jun-17 17:45:19
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Thanks. Sounds like one to order over the phone rather than via a one size fits all webform!
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 19-Jun-17 17:31:36
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Just for completion, here's a photo of the socket in the front room as viewed from outside:
https://gyazo.com/f199285e853af63dbeb8659de2fe7ffd
The double-glazing shows the scale.

The other socket in the house is similar. Both have wiring on the outside of the house going back into the porch where the grey junction box thing is.
Standard User ukhardy07
(knowledge is power) Mon 19-Jun-17 17:47:28
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In reply to a post by cantoris:
Just for completion, here's a photo of the socket in the front room as viewed from outside:
https://gyazo.com/f199285e853af63dbeb8659de2fe7ffd
The double-glazing shows the scale.

The other socket in the house is similar. Both have wiring on the outside of the house going back into the porch where the grey junction box thing is.
I can't see anything through that window - do you have anything clearer?
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 19-Jun-17 17:49:33
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Re: No master socket


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Can see a single phone socket in a perhaps 40mm x 40mm surface mount box

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 19-Jun-17 17:59:16
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I can only photograph it from outside as I don't own the house yet.

Here's a highlighted version:
https://gyazo.com/cfc8450b31c619c2befe3572404bc402
Standard User MHC
(sensei) Mon 19-Jun-17 18:41:52
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Looking at that, it does look similar in size to the small BT sockets that have been used in the past. They were dual purpose and a module could be inserted to change it from a Secondary to a Master.


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Standard User burakkucat
(experienced) Mon 19-Jun-17 20:47:07
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That appears to be an old LJU and if both sockets are LJUs then you would require the services of an Openreach technician.

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Standard User ukhardy07
(knowledge is power) Mon 19-Jun-17 22:48:29
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That could be a master we would need to see pics inside.

One of them is probably the master.
Standard User MHC
(sensei) Tue 20-Jun-17 00:16:15
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There are masters in the same size as those - I still have a few here, so one could be a master. Seeing close up images of each along with the insides will soon say one way or the other and at present it is impossible to say if there is a master or not.


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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 20-Jun-17 07:55:53
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A good clear photo of the inside of the BT66 would tell all.

Standard User burakkucat
(experienced) Tue 20-Jun-17 15:47:38
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In reply to a post by MHC:
There are masters in the same size as those - I still have a few here, so one could be a master. Seeing close up images of each along with the insides will soon say one way or the other and at present it is impossible to say if there is a master or not.
I am well aware of that, thank you. Perhaps you should have addressed your reply to the OP. tongue

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