G.fast pilot BT Wholesale pricing

For the curious the pricing of G.fast, or FTTC 160/30 and 330/50 variants, is on the BT Wholesale website. All prices are monthly rental charges and exclude VAT.

£19.00 for 160/30
£23.00 for 330/50.

Interestingly the transition product FTTP version of 330/50 is considerably more expensive at £46.00.

Taking data-only FTTP services the pricing is £28.00 for 160/30 and £55.00 for 330/50.

For comparison, the BT Wholesale price list shows a charge of £16.00/month for 80/20 FTTC and £14.00 for the 40/10 service.

Going by that formula the price difference between 330/50 and 80/20 at retail shouldn't be massive, perhaps ball park £15/month unless on FTTP.

Link?

A very quick google takes me here and prices appear to be in the "WBC Pricelist - Effective 1 September 2017".

It wasn't very hard to find...

EDIT : Oddly when compared to other packages the pricing of 330/50 is MUCH cheaper on FTTC than on FTTP. There is also no listing for 330/30 on FTTC but there still is on FTTP.

Edited by ian72 (Mon 04-Sep-17 15:21:39)

In reply to a post by ian72:

EDIT : Oddly when compared to other packages the pricing of 330/50 is MUCH cheaper on FTTC than on FTTP. There is also no listing for 330/30 on FTTC but there still is on FTTP.

There's no 330/30 FTTC product, never has been.

The difference in pricing between FTTC and P on that one tier is odd indeed.

There was never a 330/50 before 1/9 either. So, FTTP they have kept 330/30 and added 330/50 but for FTTC they have not created a 330/30 - hence the reason I made my comment. You would think maybe they would have removed the 330/30 and migrated existing users over to keep the product offerings simpler - there are now distinct differences between FTTP and FTTC which barring the fact FTTC couldn't previously run the faster packages was not previously the case.

Edited by ian72 (Mon 04-Sep-17 15:28:33)

FTTC 80/20 £16.00 pm
FTTC 160/30* £19.00 pm
FTTC 330/50* £23.00 pm

*FTTC with G.Fast

To avoid the 'I cannot get it at those prices' emails I've backed off from running all the wholesale changes these days...

any indication if they avoiding VM areas?

curious if there is political intervention on the early areas.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

any indication if they avoiding VM areas?

curious if there is political intervention on the early areas.

Here they're actively targeting them.

Only tracking those where people can order and you can make your own mind up using

https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/broadband-map#... just toggle off/on the cable layer to get a good idea

In reply to a post by adslmax:

FTTC 80/20 £16.00 pm
FTTC 160/30* £19.00 pm
FTTC 330/50* £23.00 pm

*FTTC with G.Fast

Assuming that the above prices are correct.
Why am I paying BT £63.49 pm for Infinity 2 80/20 including line rental plus at £20pm.?
No TV and I only use the line for internet use.

Because that is the tail cost - you have to add other things to that such as bandwidth and then provider costs to support you etc.

Matt

In reply to a post by uno:

Because that is the tail cost - you have to add other things to that such as bandwidth and then provider costs to support you etc.

Matt

Bandwidth is unlimited . ISP is BT.
Would the fact that I have been with them for about 3 years and am now out of contract be anything to do with it.?
Are the new prices for new customers only.?

You will be on bog standard pricing without any promotions.

If you're happy with the service, call up and advise you're considering leaving and they'll offer you a retention product which should see you save al least £15-20 per month. You will need to recontract for 12 or 18 months though.

In reply to a post by lee111s:

You will be on bog standard pricing without any promotions.

If you're happy with the service, call up and advise you're considering leaving and they'll offer you a retention product which should see you save al least £15-20 per month. You will need to recontract for 12 or 18 months though.

Thanks lee111s , the bog standard makes sense , will give them a call.

Your bandwidth may be unlimited but providers have to buy enough to keep customers happy i.e. the bandwidth is not free

The price (backhaul to POP) of which is still prohibitive for the small ISPs to be able to offer an unlimited package.

It's still £48.55 +VAT per Mbit/s per month (for WBMC Shared) and the price hasn't changed since 2010.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Your bandwidth may be unlimited but providers have to buy enough to keep customers happy i.e. the bandwidth is not free

I fully understand that bandwidth costs , nothing is free , but lee111s post is worth checking out as £15 -20 is a big saving per month.

The costs posted are wholesale for the broadband aspect only. On top of that you have all the other costs mentioned (staff, support, Internet interlink, backhaul, etc, etc). Plus you have line rental which is about £19 at the moment I think.

However, I have infinity 2 and the basic package should be £53.99 including line rental. Do you have a calls package on top of that? Do you have additional services (such as caller display)?

Try looking at your bill to see what you are paying.

Also, I currently have a discount on mine of about £20 so ring BT and see if you can get money off.

£19 is the retail charge for line rental, not wholesale.

At the wholesale level, it is just over £7 for the WLR voice component.

ISP's have tended to keep broadband prices unchanged, and loaded all rises into their "line rental". What the rises most likely cover the backhaul costs as increasing usage means they need to buy more of those £48.55 Mbps.

The prices in this thread are all ex-VAT too. When a raw package cost is £35, you need to add an extra £7 to cover VAT.

I was explaining the difference between a wholesale price for broadband and the amount an end user pays for their "infinity 2". The wholesale price is a small part of the whole picture.

Absolutely. You just used a wrong value for "line rental"

I try to work out with line rental and isp which I put Plusnet to add profit, support, other things to add on before selling to the customer below:

FTTC 80/20 £38.99 pm (inc line rental)
FTTC 160/30*** £46.98 pm (inc line rental)
FTTC 330/50*** £51.99 pm (inc line rental)

***FTTC with G.Fast