openreach working on manholes at side of road

been seeing openreach vans, about 5 of them littered around my estate.. they are working in manholes with yellow cabling

I asked a guy if fibre was coming and he said yeah FTTP! supposed to have it all finished by dec 31st

what are they doing in manholes? I thought they are supposed to work on cabinets

Where do you think the fibre is going to go?

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Where do you think the fibre is going to go?

I don't know, this is all new to me and very exciting

so if they install fiber there, how can they possibly get to my house? theyd have to dig under a row of houses

Is there not ducting to each house?

Fibre doesn�t go through cabinets, it�s all done in underground chambers using splitter nodes and aggregation points.

In reply to a post by lee111s:

Is there not ducting to each house?

Fibre doesn�t go through cabinets, it�s all done in underground chambers using splitter nodes and aggregation points.

well for years BT has said my cabinet is not commercially viable for FTTC, now they are installing FTTP

However, I just did some googling, and BT don't even sell FTTP? so whats the point?

BT do sell FTTP - Infinity 3 and Infinity 4 are BT Retail FTTP packages and there are some others that sell it as well (although neither TalkTalk or Sky currently resell the BT FTTP packages). The FTTP packages will only appear though on addresses that have it available - Infinity 3 and 4 do not appear in searches for premises that don't have FTTP (or if we want to get complicated they may be available for people on G.Fast trial but that is a whole other story).

It is possible that the pay back is better on FTTP for your area than FTTC - it does happen. If there are already ducts in the ground (or possibly poles) to carry the fibres then it is certainly possible they will choose this as the best option for you.

In reply to a post by broadbandman:

well for years BT has said my cabinet is not commercially viable for FTTC, now they are installing FTTP

However, I just did some googling, and BT don't even sell FTTP? so whats the point?

In some cases FTTP works out cheaper than FTTC - for example in sparsely populated areas.

BT do sell FTTP - Infinity 3 & 4:

http://www.imageupload.co.uk/image/DSJa

edit: beaten to it by ian72

Edited by deleted (Thu 21-Sep-17 09:23:02)

In reply to a post by ian72:

BT do sell FTTP - Infinity 3 and Infinity 4 are BT Retail FTTP packages and there are some others that sell it as well (although neither TalkTalk or Sky currently resell the BT FTTP packages). The FTTP packages will only appear though on addresses that have it available - Infinity 3 and 4 do not appear in searches for premises that don't have FTTP (or if we want to get complicated they may be available for people on G.Fast trial but that is a whole other story).

It is possible that the pay back is better on FTTP for your area than FTTC - it does happen. If there are already ducts in the ground (or possibly poles) to carry the fibres then it is certainly possible they will choose this as the best option for you.

the bt checker went from " no fttc sorry " to " fttp in plans " and now openreach engineers are literred around the estate, opening manholes on sides of roads and doing stuff in there, so no idea how long it will take once they finished mine

I presume they have to finish the whole estate?
the fttp checker says in plans, it hasnt even got to design, survey yet so maybe I'm wishing

You will just have to wait, it could take weeks/months/years. Just keep checking the BT DSL checker regularly, it should show something like this once FTTP is available at your address

http://www.imageupload.co.uk/image/DSJi

With FTTP the BT Where and When page doesn't go through the stages like with FTTC. It can just straight from "in scope" to accepting orders.

The cabinet isn't used at all for FTTP either. They feed fibre down the ducts right to your property. They may only feed it as far as the underground DP (distribution point) until an order is placed then they install the final leg to your property. They access the ducts through the manholes you can see them working in.

The old green cabinets house all the copper cables. With FTTC they install a fibre cabinet next to this and run fibre to the new cabinet. Broadband is then served over the existing copper to your property. With FTTP the cabinets are bypassed completely.

In reply to a post by broadbandman:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Where do you think the fibre is going to go?

I don't know, this is all new to me and very exciting

so if they install fiber there, how can they possibly get to my house? theyd have to dig under a row of houses

From what a BT engineer told me is that FTTP sometimes go over head, I presume the fibre must go in some sort of protector.

But the fibre from the exchange will have to go underground.

In reply to a post by broadbandman:

well for years BT has said my cabinet is not commercially viable for FTTC, now they are installing FTTP

However, I just did some googling, and BT don't even sell FTTP? so whats the point?

Yes they do as I know someone in Cambridge who have BT FTTP and she do not want it, well she does, but she do not want to pay the high price. By all accounts it comes with the flat and she have to keep with it for while.

Infinity 1 and 2 on FTTP are the same price as on FTTC.

There's 3 main ways to reach your property.
1. Underground, in ducts.
2. Overhead, via telegraph poles.
3. Underground DIG (direct in ground) armoured cabling.

FTTP is usually installed via the existing infrastructure. If your property is served via telegraph poles the fibre will be served by these. If there's ducting and there's space/no blockages/no collapses then they will use that.
The DIG cable method is less common, more in rural areas. As with everything there are exceptions to the norm.

In reply to a post by lee111s:

Infinity 1 and 2 on FTTP are the same price as on FTTC.

Just going by what I have been told, I think she was with a different network where she lived before that was cheaper than BT, which is not difficult, but because there is a agreement with BT and the landlord of the new flat, she had to use BT. i am not sure what would have happened if she decided not to take broadband at all.

Housing association by all accounts, i am so glad mine do not do that. People should be able to choose their providers, even in rented accommodation, I bet BT have paid the HA something.

I bet BT have paid the HA something

not likely and possibly illegal . The HA probably specifty a BT line but could be any Openreach supplied line as they dont want another network provider drilling holes or digging up lawns/path ways.

Edited by witchunt (Thu 21-Sep-17 12:48:50)

Am I missing something? Isn't this FTTdp / G.Fast?

Given GFast is not being deployed from manholes not sure why you think that...

Native FTTP does involve adding stuff to pavement chambers and increasing the size or adding extra ones at time.

if I get FTTP, I'm set.. not having to order 4g data plans to use etc

does anyone know why FTTP don't offer 1 gbit fttp yet? I read an article from nov 2016 saying they introduced it

I believe it's being made available to specific business areas/parka

I though Openreach now offered 500mbps and 1gbps but none of their customers (BT Wholesale etc) don�t yet sell it?

In reply to a post by lee111s:

I though Openreach now offered 500mbps and 1gbps but none of their customers (BT Wholesale etc) don�t yet sell it?

I know when I last spoke to BT (FTTP Team, UK based) on the Phone we spoke about the new lower pricing that suppose to start next month, I was also told they might be providing the 500Mbit or 550Mbit, not too sure on the 1Gbit due to they already have the up-to 10Gbit (up/down) package (i.e. leased line etc), but what home user would opt for the 500Mbit let along the 1Gbit package.

I know Infinity 4 is fine for us and we don't fully use all that.

So maybe that's why BT have been reluctant to sell them.

Paul

Edited by PaulKirby (Fri 22-Sep-17 06:58:28)

In reply to a post by witchunt:

I bet BT have paid the HA something

not likely and possibly illegal . The HA probably specifty a BT line but could be any Openreach supplied line as they dont want another network provider drilling holes or digging up lawns/path ways.

FTTP was already already in place and since there are very few providers doing FTTP, what choice did she have?

Just because something may be illegal do not mean they will not do it.

In reply to a post by broadbandman:

if I get FTTP, I'm set.. not having to order 4g data plans to use etc

does anyone know why FTTP don't offer 1 gbit fttp yet? I read an article from nov 2016 saying they introduced it

Probably because a very small percentage order the current top package so little benefit of changing systems to offer higher packages if the take up is going to be too small to make it worthwhile. Hardly anyone would see a noticeable difference between 300Mb and 1Gb to justify any increased cost.

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

what home user would opt for the 500Mbit let along the 1Gbit package.

I suspect home users who want greater upload speeds on FTTP might be interested in the 500/165 & 1000/220 Mbps services. If BT/OR's existing FTTP services were fully symmetrical ie, 40/40, 80/80, 220/220, 330/330 like other FTTP operators Gigaclear, Hyperoptic, B4RN are, then yes, i don't think there would be much appetite for the half gig and higher products. The only reason I can think of is that BT/Openreach want to protect their lucrative leased line revenue (on which symmetrical speeds are available) and are therefore reluctant to introduce symmetrical speeds on consumer/small business grade FTTP services. Its a shame because the technology (gpon or x-gpon) is already there

Edited by deleted (Fri 22-Sep-17 08:57:04)

Pricing is getting more competitive in Ethernet/leased line, and that usually means 1:1 contention too hence higher pricing, plus Ofcom is forcing the price down for Openreach

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

what home user would opt for the 500Mbit let along the 1Gbit package.

I suspect home users who want greater upload speeds on FTTP might be interested in the 500/165 & 1000/220 Mbps services. If BT/OR's existing FTTP services were fully symmetrical ie, 40/40, 80/80, 220/220, 330/330 like other FTTP operators Gigaclear, Hyperoptic, B4RN are, then yes, i don't think there would be much appetite for the half gig and higher products. The only reason I can think of is that BT/Openreach want to protect their lucrative leased line revenue (on which symmetrical speeds are available) and are therefore reluctant to introduce symmetrical speeds on consumer/small business grade FTTP services. Its a shame because the technology (gpon or x-gpon) is already there

I wouldn't disagree to-do with the upload, while 31Mbit is great, 165Mbit or 200Mbit hell 330Mbit would be better LOL.

When I spoke to BT about the pricing for the up to 10Gbit (up / down) I just laughed and said well that's out of my price range and BT then laughed.

Paul

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

what home user would opt for the 500Mbit let along the 1Gbit package.

I suspect home users who want greater upload speeds on FTTP might be interested in the 500/165 & 1000/220 Mbps services. If BT/OR's existing FTTP services were fully symmetrical ie, 40/40, 80/80, 220/220, 330/330 like other FTTP operators Gigaclear, Hyperoptic, B4RN are, then yes, i don't think there would be much appetite for the half gig and higher products. The only reason I can think of is that BT/Openreach want to protect their lucrative leased line revenue (on which symmetrical speeds are available) and are therefore reluctant to introduce symmetrical speeds on consumer/small business grade FTTP services. Its a shame because the technology (gpon or x-gpon) is already there

I doubnt BT tech would work for most people anyway, as it is they have problems getting the speed they say to people. Always up to and have been since ADSL, the whole BT network is a load of pap. a hybrid of old and new and yet we pay sky high prices.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

what home user would opt for the 500Mbit let along the 1Gbit package.

I suspect home users who want greater upload speeds on FTTP might be interested in the 500/165 & 1000/220 Mbps services. If BT/OR's existing FTTP services were fully symmetrical ie, 40/40, 80/80, 220/220, 330/330 like other FTTP operators Gigaclear, Hyperoptic, B4RN are, then yes, i don't think there would be much appetite for the half gig and higher products. The only reason I can think of is that BT/Openreach want to protect their lucrative leased line revenue (on which symmetrical speeds are available) and are therefore reluctant to introduce symmetrical speeds on consumer/small business grade FTTP services. Its a shame because the technology (gpon or x-gpon) is already there

I doubnt BT tech would work for most people anyway, as it is they have problems getting the speed they say to people. Always up to and have been since ADSL, the whole BT network is a load of pap. a hybrid of old and new and yet we pay sky high prices.

I was estimated 45-61 sync and I�m in sync at 77.8meg. What you got to say about that?