Neighbours sharing FTTPoD costs? Possible?

Good morning all,

Out of interest if myself and a group of neighbours all wanted FTTPoD, is it possible to approach OR about splitting the install costs between us rather then us indivually paying?

If there are say 10 properties all close by then I would assume the the cost to install fibre at these premises is only going to cost OR slightly more than it would cost to do one property.

Is this possible?

You'd be better going down the Community Fibre route and getting a quote for FTTP, as I don't believe FTTPoD works like that.

Thanks I did look at te community Fibre scheme. But is that an option if you are already FTTC enabled and want FTTP?

I thought it was only if you had no access to any FTTx

After posting I did think that, in which I don't know. You'd have to get into contact with them unless someone else on here knows.

Dont believe the community funded scheme is available if superfast is already available. However it is possible to privately fund FTTP without the benefit of CFP.

In reply to a post by Darkfibre:

Thanks I did look at te community Fibre scheme. But is that an option if you are already FTTC enabled and want FTTP?

I thought it was only if you had no access to any FTTx

You can only go down the community fibre scheme route for FTTP/C if there's no FTTC available in your area, or if you're too far from the FTTC cab to get decent speeds. I think the reason for this is that BT/Openreach partially fund (50%?) community fibre projects. However if you & your neighbours are willing to pay the FULL costs of FTTP deployment then i see no reason why Openreach cannot quote you.

Alternatively, provided OR are still installing 4 LAN port ONTs, you could share the costs of one FTTPoD installation per 4 properties and run ethernet cable outdoors from the installed ONT to the routers of the other 3 properties provided they're not too far apart.

Btw another ISP, Distant Voice, will be selling FTTPoD soon. According to their sales team they will be selling it for ~ £80 pm + installation costs. I suspect they plucked that monthly figure out of thin air LOL. D�j� vu

Edited by deleted (Sun 24-Sep-17 11:54:01)

There was a rumour going around that FOD pricing was going to change, with ECCs instead of distance bands and monthly pricing at the same levels as native FTTP. Makes a lot more sense to me (if it is true.....)

Anyone have insider information?

Edited by deleted (Sun 24-Sep-17 12:33:28)

Other than this snippet on ispreview I haven't heard anything else

In reference to www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/08/openreach-bt-cancels-uk-launc...:

Separately, ISPreview.co.uk understands that the same meeting also included discussion about a potentially significant change to the expensive FTTP on Demand (FTTPoD) product. FTTPoD is similar to Openreach�s native �full fibre� FTTP deployments, except it can be rolled out into certain non-FTTP areas following a request, but the end-user needs to pay a significant installation cost to help cover the construction work.

However we understand that the proposed change would involve dropping the price of FTTPoD to match native FTTP, with �project builds� becoming an option for things like estates. The new FTTPoD solution might also adopt ECC charges rather than a distance band with mandatory survey. But take this with a pinch of salt because we don�t yet have the detail and it�s currently only being �considered�.

Edited by deleted (Sun 24-Sep-17 13:01:16)

Never heard of this ISP Distant Voice before.

Those new ONTE's are just about to roll out .....

Apart from one user on here, and I believe that was some form of trial. I've not come across 4 ports being in use on a single ONTE ... been to two install where the whole shebang had been duplicated to provide two separate services at the same address.

Hmm

In reference to distantvoice.co.uk/about-us:

We�ve been working in the telecoms industry for over 10 years.

In reference to beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08714527:

Company status
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Incorporated on
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In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Those new ONTE's are just about to roll out .....

Apart from one user on here, and I believe that was some form of trial. I've not come across 4 ports being in use on a single ONTE ... been to two install where the whole shebang had been duplicated to provide two separate services at the same address.

Yeah I saw that. Why have they reduced the amount of ports?

First guess, cost, as ever.

I believe the BBU is to be integrated also. I was in the stores today, and they still only had the original stock.

If you had a one-port NTE and you ordered another FTTP connection wouldn't they just replace it with a bigger one? Sounds like a fairly simple thing to do...

In reply to a post by Bill100:

If you had a one-port NTE and you ordered another FTTP connection wouldn't they just replace it with a bigger one? Sounds like a fairly simple thing to do...

Well depending on what FTTP packages you have, but they could just send both connections through the same WAN Port, so on a 1Gbit WAN Port it could support 3 Infinity 4 equivalent packages and the 3 routers connected via a Ethernet Switch would just handle each package and the equipment at the exchange will know where each router should go to.

In theory that is.

Paul

I doubt it would work like that, each ISP would want their connection to have a clear demarcation point i.e. a separate copper port, even if it is fed from the same fibre. So either you would need a multi-port NTE or separate fibres feeding single port NTEs.

Edited by deleted (Tue 26-Sep-17 14:02:42)

Or you could just buy a premade splitter from Fibrestore for under a tenner and use four single port ONT's.

http://www.fs.com/products/11617.html

Which would be fine if it was dark fibre that you were lighting yourself - you wouldn't be able to split a FTTP fibre like that unless of course it was BT supplying the kit; but it is unlikely they would as they already have multiport ONTs that they can supply.

Well er actually you would. That is I could put my ONT behind one of those and other than a change in signal loss Openreach would not know. Then my neighbour on anyone on the same OLT could bring their ONT around and plug it into the splitter and it would just work on the proviso that the signal loss from inserting the splitter didn't put you over the edge and out of service.

The splitter is a completely passive device that's why they are so cheap.

And how exactly would you get a service to connect it to? You would have to order a product from BT Openreach (via an ISP) to actually be able to talk to something in the BT network. And as you would be ordering a product BT would provide the splitters/ONT - not you.

So, as far as I can see there is absolutely no purpose to an end customer buying such a device.

In reply to a post by Bill100:

I doubt it would work like that, each ISP would want their connection to have a clear demarcation point i.e. a separate copper port, even if it is fed from the same fibre. So either you would need a multi-port NTE or separate fibres feeding single port NTEs.

When you get multiple FTTP connections from different ISP they all use the same Fibre going into the ONT.

As far as I can see the 4 WAN Port ONT has a built in 4 port (Managed maybe) Ethernet Switch where as the Single WAN Port ONT doesn't have that built in Ethernet Switch (well it might but it doesn't use it) that's what I was referring to.

So in theory connecting up a Ethernet Switch (might need to be a Managed Switch, not sure) to the WAN Port might do the same thing.

Paul