Cabinet.

I drove past a cabinet in town yesterday and noticed it has a new box on the side similar to the picture below but i am not sure if it has the vents on the front, could someone tell me what is this?

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/bt-ope...

That is a picture of a g.fast pod. When it goes live it will be able to provide connection speeds >300Mbps to those close to the cabinet.

Edited by witchunt (Mon 11-Dec-17 11:09:40)

If it hasn't got the vents it is just a PCP extension for additional cables, usually extra tie pairs for a nearby FTTC cabinet so not as exciting as G.fast.

Thanks, i am going out in a few minutes so will get a picture of the cabinet as i am not sure if it is the same as the one i showed in the OP.
Assuming this is the same is this FTTP as at the moment i have FTTC.

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Thanks, there is a FTTC cabinet a few feet away from the one with the extra box, i am off out to get a picture.

Nothing to do with FTTP, G.Fast is higher speeds using the existing phone line.

In reply to a post by Realalemadrid:

Nothing to do with FTTP, G.Fast is higher speeds using the existing phone line.

Thanks again.

In reply to a post by Chippy_Tea_:

Thanks, i am going out in a few minutes so will get a picture of the cabinet as i am not sure if it is the same as the one i showed in the OP.

This is the only one i have seen so far in town - https://s8.postimg.org/c4aajwacl/cab.jpg

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Just a PCP extension.

Looks cold brrr

I noted on a BT site that the Filter/Links in those G.Fast extension cabinets are coloured Orange, rather than the White in FTTC Cabinets.

I presume that this is to clearly distinguish them - presume different frequency spectrum or such-like.

Any definite information?

Thanks.

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And if so, does that mean new filters in the house, whether in the NTE or "dangly" ones?

Edited by deleted (Mon 11-Dec-17 12:26:53)

That G.fast is a different frequency band can confirm, current is up to 116 MHz (so FM band with notches out for ADSL/VDSL2 overlaps) and work is on doubling that band size

The xDSL filters are low-pass filters so it is unlikely the current ones won't work.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

Looks cold brrr

It is but thankfully we didn't get the snow that was predicted.

In reply to a post by tomse43:

Just a PCP extension.

There is a large hotel being built just over the road from this cabinet which is near completion do you think this extension has something to do with that?

Yes, quite likely.

Not convinced. Large hotels would generally use a leased line not FTTC - and even if they were using FTTC they wouldn't use many lines (because if they needed lots of lines then a leased line would be more economical) to make it likely that a cab extension would be required. Far more likely it is just that the cab is full and the hotel is a coincidence.

True, but the suggestion is perfectly valid.

Valid but I don't believe likely.

Understood. I suppose if there's a new housing development nearby, that could suggest it, but obviously we don't know that.

Found this article with a reasonable description and limitations -

https://networks.nokia.com/solutions/g.fast

Have a look at this one and you can see the difference,

http://i68.tinypic.com/avn347.jpg

In reply to a post by IanBB:

Have a look at this one and you can see the difference,

http://i68.tinypic.com/avn347.jpg

I thought the lack of air vents in the one i saw probably meant it was not a g.fast pod.

In reply to a post by WilliamGrimsley:

Yes, quite likely.

Not likely

But, not impossible.

Firstly the company doesn�t really work like that, tends to be more reactive than proactive. Secondly-how many lines do you think a hotel would need? Only a few I�d have thought.

In reply to a post by Icaras:

Firstly the company doesn�t really work like that, tends to be more reactive than proactive. Secondly-how many lines do you think a hotel would need? Only a few I�d have thought.

A hotel is probably going to use ISDN for telephony I would imagine. They aren't going to have a whole bunch of separate pairs from a PCP.

Could even use SIP via a third party via EFM / xDSL.

Lots of VoIP and maybe just one landline to give access when there is no power

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Lots of VoIP and maybe just one landline to give access when there is no power

Exactly, 3 or 4 at the most. If they�ve got a lift many lifts require a separate phone line also.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Lots of VoIP and maybe just one landline to give access when there is no power

I am probably going to kick myself for asking but as there are no new houses/businesses being built in the area why would they add the pod?

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Edited by deleted (Sat 16-Dec-17 17:11:32)

One just up the road from my house (But luckily not the one I am connected to) has had 2 of those PCP extension pods on it (One on either side). It serves around 722 properties (According to Codelook) and so the demand is very high. Likely this cabinet is also in high demand.

Edited by deleted (Sat 16-Dec-17 19:02:04)

In reply to a post by tomse43:

One just up the road from my house (But luckily not the one I am connected to) has had 2 of those PCP extension pods on it (One on either side). It serves around 722 properties (According to Codelook) and so the demand is very high. Likely this cabinet is also in high demand.

You say "But luckily not the one I am connected to" does the amount of connections to a cabinet reduce the speeds for all connected to it?

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Probably the wrong person to answer as I have little knowledge on this, someone to correct me would be great.

A cabinet that becomes full can take a long time for extensions to be fitted. A customer wanting to change ISP could end up going from an 80/20 FTTC connection to ~1mb ADSL for days/weeks/months etc. while either someone else ceases their FTTC connection or a PCP extension is fitted (Sometimes a whole other PCP cabinet is built next to it too). Which when price-hikes are always happening with the likes of TalkTalk, Sky, BT etc. you sometimes have no other choice but to switch.

I could be wrong but I believe Crosstalk could also be an issue on cabinets with high VDSL uptake.

In reply to a post by Chippy_Tea_:

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Lots of VoIP and maybe just one landline to give access when there is no power

I am probably going to kick myself for asking but as there are no new houses/businesses being built in the area why would they add the pod?

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It�s just an extension pod for VDSL2 tie pairs. The existing tie pairs to the fibre cabinet must be nearly full or full so they�re adding capacity so that more customers can go on to FTTC.

Morning Ian

Is there a conventional FTTC Cabinet near-by, linked conventionally by U/G cables to the PCP 19?

Yes, you can see it in this older Google Maps picture here.

In reply to a post by tomse43:

Probably the wrong person to answer as I have little knowledge on this, someone to correct me would be great.

A cabinet that becomes full can take a long time for extensions to be fitted. A customer wanting to change ISP could end up going from an 80/20 FTTC connection to ~1mb ADSL for days/weeks/months etc. while either someone else ceases their FTTC connection or a PCP extension is fitted (Sometimes a whole other PCP cabinet is built next to it too). Which when price-hikes are always happening with the likes of TalkTalk, Sky, BT etc. you sometimes have no other choice but to switch.

I could be wrong but I believe Crosstalk could also be an issue on cabinets with high VDSL uptake.

Thanks for explaining.

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In reply to a post by Chippy_Tea_:

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Lots of VoIP and maybe just one landline to give access when there is no power

I am probably going to kick myself for asking but as there are no new houses/businesses being built in the area why would they add the pod?

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It�s just an extension pod for VDSL2 tie pairs. The existing tie pairs to the fibre cabinet must be nearly full or full so they�re adding capacity so that more customers can go on to FTTC.

Thanks for explaining.

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

In reply to a post by Icaras:

Firstly the company doesn�t really work like that, tends to be more reactive than proactive. Secondly-how many lines do you think a hotel would need? Only a few I�d have thought.

A hotel is probably going to use ISDN for telephony I would imagine. They aren't going to have a whole bunch of separate pairs from a PCP.

Could even use SIP via a third party via EFM / xDSL.

Every hotel I've done IT work in is either leased line (or EFM/FTTC) and SIP over the data connection.

usually with a couple of PSTN lines as backup for voice and ADSL as backup for data.

In fact, I'm away to spend the rest of this week staying in a hotel to install a leased line, SIP and wifi coverage for the hotel and all of the grounds