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Standard User techguy
(experienced) Tue 12-Dec-17 20:52:38
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I changed jobs last year and am expected to work from home if I can't get in due to the weather.

My ADSL is usually reliable but when I was facing the prospect of possibly having to work from home on Monday it decides to become unstable which I suspect is due to noise (line is 3 km as calculated by Openreach when they last came)

Luckily I was able to get in on Monday but have bitten the bullet and ordered FTTP through Zen today.

I've been advised about the two stage process but was wondering if there's anything I need to be aware of during or following the install?

Virgin (ADSL) => Namesco => Newnet => O2 => Plusnet => Zen => Newnet => Zen => Freeola => Vivaciti (using O2 Wholesale DSL) => Xilo (C&W Wholesale) => Xilo (O2 Wholesale) => Xilo (TT Wholesale due to O2 Wholesale closure) => Zen LLU
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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 12-Dec-17 20:59:00
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Not really, think where you are going to request the ONT to go (wall mounted, power supply close by)
This should be within 25/30 meters of the CSP the first guys fit. .....

Zen seem clued up, should be easy enough.

Standard User techguy
(experienced) Tue 12-Dec-17 21:04:54
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Chhers Zarjaz

Always found them to be excellent so was only one choice.

Virgin (ADSL) => Namesco => Newnet => O2 => Plusnet => Zen => Newnet => Zen => Freeola => Vivaciti (using O2 Wholesale DSL) => Xilo (C&W Wholesale) => Xilo (O2 Wholesale) => Xilo (TT Wholesale due to O2 Wholesale closure) => Zen LLU => Awaiting Zen FTTP
Router: Netgear D6400
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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 12-Dec-17 21:18:21
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Get the router set up when delivered, so you should be able to plug it in a confirm service straight away.

Zen don�t pay for a �managed install� , so once the ONT is up and running, that�s that.

Whereabouts in the country are you ?

Standard User techguy
(experienced) Wed 13-Dec-17 19:59:16
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Milton Keynes

Good to know.

I'm going to be at work when the install is done and one of my parents is going to be here so will make sure the router is in situ with an ethernet cable (cat 6) popped through the hole in the side of the cupboard where it lives so it's a plug and play job.

Virgin (ADSL) => Namesco => Newnet => O2 => Plusnet => Zen => Newnet => Zen => Freeola => Vivaciti (using O2 Wholesale DSL) => Xilo (C&W Wholesale) => Xilo (O2 Wholesale) => Xilo (TT Wholesale due to O2 Wholesale closure) => Zen LLU => Awaiting Zen FTTP
Router: Netgear D6400
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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Wed 13-Dec-17 20:09:23
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I think you should take the day off and be there
Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Wed 13-Dec-17 20:53:58
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In reply to a post by BatBoy:
I think you should take the day off and be there

Agreed, if I left it for my parents to handle all the install, who knows where it would of been put.

From the first engineer visit (external work) I was able to choose where the External CSP was to be installed.
And when the second engineer visit (internal work) I again was able to choose where the ONT + BBU was to be installed.

But when choosing these locations you really need to be realistic.

Paul

BTBroadband - Infinity 4 312.47 Mbps (down), 29.78 Mbps (up) FVA
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Edited by PaulKirby (Wed 13-Dec-17 20:54:54)

Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 13-Dec-17 22:09:19
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Zen will provide a Fritzbox router, but this will need configuration, it�s not difficult ... but in the couple I�ve seen the punter didn�t already have a connection with Zen ... so may muddy the waters.

Milton Keynes, ah, so it won�t be me then.

Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 13-Dec-17 22:11:41
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I kinda agree ....

but an X marks the spot for the ONT, and a parent proficient at making tea should do the trick. wink

Standard User techguy
(experienced) Fri 15-Dec-17 20:10:01
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Day is booked off.

No problem with configuring routers, just wondered if TR-069 is used to push the details.

Router is here and I'm going to connect it tomorrow in ADSL mode to test the wireless strength, if it's not as good as my D6400 I'll switch back to that as it has a gig WAN port so should be fine.

Virgin (ADSL) => Namesco => Newnet => O2 => Plusnet => Zen => Newnet => Zen => Freeola => Vivaciti (using O2 Wholesale DSL) => Xilo (C&W Wholesale) => Xilo (O2 Wholesale) => Xilo (TT Wholesale due to O2 Wholesale closure) => Zen LLU => Awaiting Zen FTTP
Router: Netgear D6400
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Standard User techguy
(experienced) Fri 15-Dec-17 20:12:30
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And I know to ply them with Tea/Coffee and biscuits.

Do OR engineers have any preference biscuit wise?

Virgin (ADSL) => Namesco => Newnet => O2 => Plusnet => Zen => Newnet => Zen => Freeola => Vivaciti (using O2 Wholesale DSL) => Xilo (C&W Wholesale) => Xilo (O2 Wholesale) => Xilo (TT Wholesale due to O2 Wholesale closure) => Zen LLU => Awaiting Zen FTTP
Router: Netgear D6400
Note: I don't lay turf for anyone. astro or otherwise, all views and opinions expressed are my own based on experience.
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 15-Dec-17 21:51:58
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Some are partial to a Fig Newton wink

Edited by Zarjaz (Sat 16-Dec-17 05:58:58)

Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Fri 15-Dec-17 23:45:04
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So are partial to a Fig Newton wink

LOL

Paul

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Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Fri 15-Dec-17 23:49:11
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In reply to a post by techguy:
And I know to ply them with Tea/Coffee and biscuits.

Do OR engineers have any preference biscuit wise?

Well it was offered but declined, they external work was done very quick even though they had a trainee with them, basically 3 or so vans turned up LOL.

And the next day or two the internal work was done, also very quick, drink etc was also declined.

Paul

BTBroadband - Infinity 4 312.47 Mbps (down), 29.78 Mbps (up) FVA
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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 16-Dec-17 05:57:42
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Maybe there are subtle signs at your place Paul, �don�t accept the tea� smile

Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Sat 16-Dec-17 15:40:30
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In reply to a post by Zarjaz:
Maybe there are subtle signs at your place Paul, �don�t accept the tea� smile

LOL

Maybe it was the screaming in the basement that made them rush LOL.

I know it was bucketing down when they did the external work, so it was understandable they wanted to do it quick as possible, but the internal work, no excuse tongue

When we had other engineers sent when we were on ADSL2+ and had faults they all had cups of Tea / Coffee or a cold soft drink.

So the fibre installers are snobs I tell you snobs LOL

Paul

BTBroadband - Infinity 4 312.47 Mbps (down), 29.78 Mbps (up) FVA
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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 16-Dec-17 15:45:50
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..... and what does that make those who are multi skilled I wonder ?

Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Sat 16-Dec-17 15:52:07
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..... and what does that make those who are multi skilled I wonder ?

They would be like me LOL

Jokes aside, those fibre engineers were very nice, very chatty and funny, not all engineers are, I have had some engineers in the past (might of been from Kellys) that wasn't talkative at all.

Paul

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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 16-Dec-17 20:09:25
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When we had other engineers sent when we were on ADSL2+ and had faults they all had cups of Tea / Coffee or a cold soft drink.

So the fibre installers are snobs I tell you snobs LOL
Or they read the local notes (not the Openreach system) that the ADSL guys left about the effects of the tea and the weevils in the biscuits.

tongue

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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 16-Dec-17 20:10:21
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..... and what does that make those who are multi skilled I wonder ?
Too expensive.

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Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Sat 16-Dec-17 22:36:47
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
In reply to a post by PaulKirby:
When we had other engineers sent when we were on ADSL2+ and had faults they all had cups of Tea / Coffee or a cold soft drink.

So the fibre installers are snobs I tell you snobs LOL
Or they read the local notes (not the Openreach system) that the ADSL guys left about the effects of the tea and the weevils in the biscuits.

tongue

LOL

Paul

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Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Sat 16-Dec-17 22:37:11
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
In reply to a post by Zarjaz:
..... and what does that make those who are multi skilled I wonder ?
Too expensive.

Haha

Paul

BTBroadband - Infinity 4 312.47 Mbps (down), 29.78 Mbps (up) FVA
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Standard User techguy
(experienced) Sun 17-Dec-17 18:42:46
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Cheers for all the helpful and amusing posts.

E-mail I received from Zen seems to indicate BT will be doing a survey and status shows they are waiting for KCI-2.

Is the explanation found here https://kb.elite.net.uk/pages/viewpage.action?pageId... still correct?

Virgin (ADSL) => Namesco => Newnet => O2 => Plusnet => Zen => Newnet => Zen => Freeola => Vivaciti (using O2 Wholesale DSL) => Xilo (C&W Wholesale) => Xilo (O2 Wholesale) => Xilo (TT Wholesale due to O2 Wholesale closure) => Zen LLU => Awaiting Zen FTTP
Router: Netgear D6400
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Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Sun 17-Dec-17 18:54:28
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In reply to a post by techguy:
Cheers for all the helpful and amusing posts.

E-mail I received from Zen seems to indicate BT will be doing a survey and status shows they are waiting for KCI-2.

Is the explanation found here https://kb.elite.net.uk/pages/viewpage.action?pageId... still correct?

Sorry I am unsure, all I know with our install was it was all installed and completed back in 2011 as part of the original 66% Commercial rollout, sadly we was only able to order FTTP last November.

Paul

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Standard User techguy
(experienced) Thu 18-Jan-18 19:46:57
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My install was completed today and I'm very pleased.

The engineer that came was a really good guy and did a really great job on the install.

Virgin (ADSL) => Namesco => Newnet => O2 => Plusnet => Zen => Newnet => Zen => Freeola => Vivaciti (using O2 Wholesale DSL) => Xilo (C&W Wholesale) => Xilo (O2 Wholesale) => Xilo (TT Wholesale due to O2 Wholesale closure) => Zen LLU => Awaiting Zen FTTP
Router: Netgear D6400
Note: I don't lay turf for anyone. astro or otherwise, all views and opinions expressed are my own based on experience.
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 18-Jan-18 20:09:50
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Pleased to hear it .... and working from the get go ?

Standard User techguy
(experienced) Fri 19-Jan-18 19:34:17
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Apart from a RADIUS issue that Zen needed to correct, yes thanks.

I kept getting directed to the BT Wholesale page about the ISP not accepting the connection.

I rebooted my router a couple of times, checked I'd put in the username and password correctly and set it to PPPoE.

I then switched over to the router they had sent me, rang them and went through configuring it except I'd put rhe ethernet cable in the wrong port so said I'd ring back (I have the router, a MyCloud and Hive Zigbee hub connected to the router) and I need to sort out the cabling in the desk cupboard where it lives as some of the cabling is too long.

Anyway I connected it and the router returned the message it couldn't log in so called back, they found the problem and sorted it.

The Fritzbox takes a lot of space so I've just switched back to my Netgear D6400 which connected right away this time.

It;s very nice to have the sort of speed I have at work at home now.

smile

Virgin (ADSL) => Namesco => Newnet => O2 => Plusnet => Zen => Newnet => Zen => Freeola => Vivaciti (using O2 Wholesale DSL) => Xilo (C&W Wholesale) => Xilo (O2 Wholesale) => Xilo (TT Wholesale due to O2 Wholesale closure) => Zen LLU => Awaiting Zen FTTP
Router: Netgear D6400
Note: I don't lay turf for anyone. astro or otherwise, all views and opinions expressed are my own based on experience.
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