Just got mine too ...

Estimated Build Cost: £8800.00 ex VAT
The build charge includes the estimate for the work and materials required to deliver the service. It also includes the connection charge.

Number of premises passed for FTTP: 1
The build estimate includes a reduction for the number of premises passed as these would be able to obtain FTTP as a consequence of your build. Customers at these premises may submit a linked FTTPoD order to share the construction costs. You will receive a discount of £700.00 ex VAT from this figure for each linked order that is served by your build. Linked orders may be submitted to Cerberus Networks at the customer�s own risk. If one order is cancelled this will cancel all the linked orders so you must find a way for all parties to work together to share any costs.

Not sure where they get 1 premise passed from, I am 50 foot from the nearest pole which serves about 20 premises and so if the fibre came to the pole then all those could also potentially get FTTPoD. If they don't use the pole, then Cab 1 which serves most of the central part of town is only 100 foot in the opposite direction!

Strikes me they want to discourage FTTPoD installations.

I already have FTTC but want more upstream bandwidth so looks like it will be cheaper for me to install multiple FTTC lines and find someone that will bond them.

Others did the same in the past e.g. seen some install fees go from £195 before vouchers to £1 below voucher limit.

Just had our quote through for a Business Premises


Estimated Build Cost: £38400.00 ex VAT
The build charge includes the estimate for the work and materials required to deliver the service. It also includes the connection charge.

Wow

Leased line is far cheaper.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

Interesting... so Openreach increased my quote by £3,000, the same time as £3,000 gigabit vouchers are about to be rolled out by the government. Coincidence I'm sure

Or the Openreach one was unchanged, and Cerberus added the £3,000. Or a mix of the two.

Remember, Cerberus must add their wages and other existential costs to everything, then add a profit. If they just passed on what they get charged for things they wouldn�t last very long .

In reply to a post by Ripley:

Just had our quote through for a Business Premises


Estimated Build Cost: £38400.00 ex VAT
The build charge includes the estimate for the work and materials required to deliver the service. It also includes the connection charge.

Wow

Leased line is far cheaper.

This probably explains why FluidOne were receiving a higher than normal amount of last minute orders under the old pricing before their cut off date on 23rd Feb as many people were fearful of increased installation costs. I imagine the quotes for these last minute orders would have been generated before 1st Feb, which was when the new OR pricing kicked in though not the new BT Wholesale pricing (23rd feb).

I've managed to get a 100 meg leased line with free installation for £379 / month, over 3 years that's going to be just under £14000

A lot of money but cheaper than I thought

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

A 1 Gbps leased line might be cheaper to install, but over a few years they'll make more money from you due to high monthly fee

However, given the properties passed scenario, it is actually cheaper to get a leased line and just share it with neighbours instead of paying more for an inferior product (PON vs AON) that also has to be shared.

My quote was also £8,800, but with 26 properties passed (they're not including flats, otherwise it'd be 32 buildings, with 6 of them being multi-dwelling. However, if I got all 26 on board, then how does the £700 discount work? 26 x £700 = £18,200 - do I get £9,400 back?!

In reply to a post by candlerb:

Old price: £7,675+VAT (previously quoted from Cerberus. Property is in band G, for which Openreach pricelist said £6,125 distance charge + £750 install charge). With the three-year front-loading of rental of approx £80/month, that makes £10,555+VAT.

New price: £13,700+VAT

Errrrr...under the old FTTPoD pricing Cerberus charged ~ £165 per month, not £80 per month. So over 3 years you'd pay £13615 in total versus new price of £13700 plus line rental of ~ £100 pm on a 12 month min term. Not too dissimilar.

People are free to create their own ISP and sub let the leased line, so long as T&C allow it and you want to deal with all that.

Essentially this is what B4RN do, with the difference that their leased lines feed into a large fibre network they have created.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Had tried to warn that TCO over three years with a 1 year term and standard FTTP pricing was going to front load the on demand charge.

Indeed Mr S:

Fibre on Demand a cautionary tale

In a nutshell: for lone installs under the new pricing, you're also paying for your neighbours to have free FTTP.

Edited by deleted (Wed 07-Mar-18 14:08:23)