New Build - any options to get Fibre?

Hi there,

I'm not sure if anyone can help or give any advice.

We are soon to move into a new build house on a site of 10 new houses.

Our village has Fibre Broadband.

We have just found out when calling BT to change our service to the new house that the site doesn't have fibre. When we asked the builders about this they said that "we did get a quote from BT when the site was first set up but it was too expensive as they make a large charge to new homes sites of less than 30 houses. So we decided to go with normal broadband." Now the site is pretty much finished so all the cabling has been laid.

Our current house has fibre, and the village phone cabinet is FTTC enabled but it seems that the new site which is very close to our current house only has standard broadband.

Does anyone know if we have any options to get fibre at our new house as opposed to standard broadband?

Many thanks.

What does the checker say for the new address ?

The builder was describing FTTP, you appear to be on about FTTC to your current address, so if that�s near the new place, there�s a fair chance it�ll be served by the same cab, and therefore have FTTC available.

Oh and be sure to ask the developer for a discount

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Oh and be sure to ask the developer for a discount

Find it amazing that these housing developers still don't think Good internet Access is required in 2018.

I share no pity for people who don't check all this before hand when buying a property nowadays either. It takes all of a few minutes.

No wonder the housing market went under.

This housing developer has sold at least one of the ten houses . Probably all of them.

Very, very short-sighted and narrow minded by the developer.

Using a few round figures - say BT quoted £20k to install, that would be £2k per house.

If you are paying say £265k for the property, would you have still gone for it at £267k or £269k ? You probably would have done, the extra £2k slipped into the price and you would never have known.

Even at £40k or £50k the amount could easily be dropped into the selling price.



Another case of the developer unfairly blaming BT, just as they and politicians always do.

Just a heads up, the OP also posted on the official BT Forum, where I also post.

Turns out the new and old properties are both connected to the same Cab (3).

As yet no line is installed so the OP's new address won't show any FTTC availability, and they have been advised this.

HTH.

Quite, new builds should have fttp as standard, this is a 3 way issue, OR, the developer and the government and invariably they blame each other

Yes at some stage we will need to move to faster pon services but realistically thats maybe 7 to 8 years away.. The only service that i can think of that truly needs huge bandwidth, is 8k tv ..

BT will always be willing to provide the best service then can - FTTP or FTTC but the developers also need to have the right mindset. Yes, there is a cost and someone should pay and that someone should be the developer.

Can you imagine the furore if a new build did not have water or electricity? Guess who pays for that ... yes, the developer. So, why the different attitude to connectivity?

So so got the nuts and bolts of this right, 10 minutes after the OP posted ...

In reply to a post by MHC:

Can you imagine the furore if a new build did not have water or electricity? Guess who pays for that ... yes, the developer. So, why the different attitude to connectivity?

I genuinely believe lack of interest from the developer. They have one mindset get it built, and as "economically" as possible.

I guess Water / Electric / Gas are considered "essentials" where as Internet is a "luxury". However in real life now (with so much having to be done "online") it's no longer a luxury but a necessity.

It makes 1001% sense that if a new development has potential access to FTTP (via whoever) that it's provided to all properties, and then it can be used as a sales pitch.

"Dear Mr/Mrs Smith (etc) our new development has not only en-suite bathrooms but Super Fast Fibre Internet at up to XX speeds..."

Now that would sell I am sure!

In reply to a post by CJT:

"Dear Mr/Mrs Smith (etc) our new development has not only en-suite bathrooms but Super Fast Fibre Internet at up to XX speeds..."

Now that would sell I am sure!

With commercial interest rates at 5% a developer wants to recover his costs ASAP.

A house being sold at say £320k could cost the developed £16k in interest over a year or £1300 per month. If putting in FTTP costs £2k per property and he can sell a month or two quicker, his costs are recovered in that way, let alone charging a premium. As I said before short sighted and narrow minded.

MHC

I know what you mean... and that's why I think they are shortsighted...

If I were a developer I'd start with finding out what a customer wants internally, do they "want" a flash kitchen with designer appliances, or would they prefer a more "regular" kitchen... do they want home automation, or CCTV camera's... it could all be done "at build" for new build properties...

FTTP could really be a deal breaker, if they (the developer) bothered to think about it...

Maybe some developers do!

I suspect in many areas houses are sold before they are finished so whether they have FTTP/FTTC or not they will not be paying interest beyond the build completion. Certainly where I am new house builds don't seem to struggle with sales so from a developers perspective why bother paying more for something if they can sell it anyway?

It can only change if people don't buy the houses but alas whilst people will complain about not having decent broadband it still for most is not the key deciding factor in buying a house.

EDIT : To add that this thread actually proves the point - the OP has by the looks of it signed for the new house and is only now considering broadband - unfortunately too late as the option was to not buy the house in the first place if broadband was important.

Edited by ian72 (Thu 29-Mar-18 13:23:48)

In reply to a post by ian72:

EDIT : To add that this thread actually proves the point - the OP has by the looks of it signed for the new house and is only now considering broadband - unfortunately too late as the option was to not buy the house in the first place if broadband was important.

That is very true, and the OP (on the other forum) did ask about FTTP based on what he'd been told.

He could of course have FTTP-OD but with the associated costs.

There appear to be a fair few developers round here going the FTTP route .... which is good I reckon.

Since it tends to just �work� that�s why this forum see�s so few posts about it.

I was asked to advise an architect on a development - there was an FTTC cabinet adjacent to the building. It took a long time to with him to persuade the developer and builder to install adequate provision to provide all options.

There was a utility area in the basement where all services including BTs copper and previously fibre (not FTTP) entered. They wanted to put just a single CW1308 from the comms area to each apartment.

We finally got agreement to run, 2 x CW1308 and a Cat5e from basement to each. However, they refused to install suitable ducting to each that would allow fibre to go all the way to the apartment. So, the occupiers could have basic phone, ADSL or FTTC to the apartment, or in the future if FTTP (OD) becomes available the ONT can go in the basement with a Cat5e/Ethernet link available.

The cost of getting Cat5e installed - about £50 for each. Had they run additional ducting - suggested about £200-250. Something like 20 flats so, £5k on site costs compared to my fee, the architects time and that of others involved probably came to more!.