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Standard User 8skellerns
(experienced) Sat 07-Apr-18 10:32:58
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Any future improvements to VDSL2+ speeds?


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Got BT Infinity 2, with a 80/20 sync speed as shown in the router stats page, but it also shows a max attainable rate of 140Mb down and 43Mb Up. This shows that the DSLAM (Mines a Huawei DSLAM) can go faster than what Openreach will run it at. Any reason why Openreach dont offer faster than 80/20 speeds on normal FTTC barring G.Fast? Will they ever increase the tops speeds from the cab?
Standard User Andrue
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 07-Apr-18 10:52:08
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Possibly due to the impact on other lines. Getting you full speed might mean someone else losing speed.

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sat 07-Apr-18 11:33:14
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To go faster and actually have ISPs able to sell faster would need vectoring on all the cabinets. That means replacing the ECIs with a different model and installing a new card into the Huawei kit.

Openreach have G.fast available to a million properties already, give or take, and will be covering 10 million by 2020, alongside 3 million of FTTP. Absolutely no business case to reduce take up of ultrafast by spending money enhancing the superfast.

If it were going to happen it would've a while ago.


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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 07-Apr-18 11:46:53
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Any idea on the rough capital and labour costs of a G.Fast pod attached to a PCP?

As I've posted before, they seem to be a complete white elephant, as the only people able to receive them can already get 80/20 or not far short. Quite how they are going to cover 10 million properties and get anything like a positive ROI is incomprehensible.

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sat 07-Apr-18 11:57:59
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I always found this bizarre. Having the G.Fast 'pod' in the footway chamber installed close to properties with slower speeds can benefit from the G.Fast speeds was a fantastic idea, yet it never took off. Sure I understand there's more difficulties getting power etc. but still cheaper than rolling out full FTTP.

Surely the take-up would be much greater? I know that I'd jump at the opportunity on my 35-40mb speeds, people on lower even more so. Whereas if I was on the full 80/20, I most likely wouldn't. I used to get close to this at my old house and it was plenty fast enough for everything I needed.
Standard User Andrue
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 07-Apr-18 12:00:49
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
Any idea on the rough capital and labour costs of a G.Fast pod attached to a PCP?

As I've posted before, they seem to be a complete white elephant, as the only people able to receive them can already get 80/20 or not far short. Quite how they are going to cover 10 million properties and get anything like a positive ROI is incomprehensible.
Yup. I was saying that from the start. As a cheap(er) way to extend VDSL in rural areas and not-spot they made some sense - perhaps a pod on a lampost to serve half a dozen properties - but as 'the next big thing' they seem like a failure.

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Standard User arfster
(knowledge is power) Sat 07-Apr-18 12:31:24
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Lamp-post vdsl pods will probably still happen as the tech evolves, but as a way of filling in areas with poor speeds rather than a mass deployment.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 07-Apr-18 12:35:26
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In reply to a post by arfster:
Lamp-post vdsl pods will probably still happen as the tech evolves, but as a way of filling in areas with poor speeds rather than a mass deployment.
There isn't a "mass deployment" though. Takeup will be tiny for at least several years. At the moment, a waste of man-time and money.

Even where people can get 80/20 a large number go for 55/10 or 40/10. Paying more for bragging rights isn't what many people do.

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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 07-Apr-18 13:54:00
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Many FTTP connections still only take 80/20 or less .....

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(staff) Sat 07-Apr-18 14:24:26
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And that's the fun bit figuring out where people will pay more for faster and deploying there...

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