Stepps Cabinet P10 & P23

Morning guys!

Long time lurker, first time poster.

Needing some help/assistance. I've just moved into a new build estate which unfortunately was registered before FTTP was standard so the estate is supplied with standard copper. My copper line was supposed to be installed this week but it got cancelled due to the fact that the groundworker hadn't run the ducting from the junction box to my house. Not really a problem and it's something they'd do in the next few weeks.

Anyway, met two openreach engineers who were on site this morning to install the line at the house across the road which is easier as their line comes from a different direction.

Now, the two openreach engineers told me that on Woodhead road, the old houses on that road are actually fed by FTTP through underground ducting and that the junction box is only a matter of meters away from it, albeit that the junction box is being fed from Cabinet 23 (on the other side of the estate). They also said that there is 20 spare fibres in that cabinet right now (x32 meaning they have the capacity to supply 600 properties) but they are not being used.

Who can I contact at Openreach about the possibility of joining that junction box into the feed from Cabinet P10 (the node is actually right beside the junction box as well) and supplying FTTP to my property? All the ducting etc is in place and there would be minimal civils works.

It looks so straight forward but I know that there can be other factors in play. Does anyone know who I contact about it?

Map here - https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TjtLLwTkNOJtzzrg1s...

Andrew, are you able to bend the ear of someone at Openreach about it?


edit: I have been speaking to the Openreach Community Team about a quotation for utilising the existing ducting in the estate and supplying the entire 186 properties with either FTTP or just installing a Fibre Cabinet at Station Road, but they are in discussions with the housebuilder about this as there is the possibility they might stump up the cost to put a cabinet in, but this is still all just going back and forth right now...

Edited by deleted (Thu 03-May-18 11:14:58)

Realised I had not made the map viewable.

Fixed it now!

The cabinet is unrelated to FTTP in every way. There aren't 20 spare fibres in any cabinet. FTTC cabinets don't have 20 spare fibres, and plain PCP's never have ANY. I have no idea what on Earth these engineers were talking about, or you picked them up wrong.

There is nobody at OpenReach you could contact. It is entirely up to your developer to pay for it. OpenReach won't retro fit FTTP for free.

Have all the properties on the development sold?

Edited by j0hn83 (Thu 03-May-18 14:12:14)

If in talks with developer than unless they fail Openreach is not going to start other engagement and that would be via a CommunityFibre scheme i.e. locals put some money into the pot

Hi John.

That was what I wondered. The engineers were quite knowledgeable on the area so I have to take them at their word, but he was adamant that there was 20 spare fibres up there. I have never seen how much space 20 spare fibres takes up so I dont know.

From Cabinet 10, the properties that were on that, are all now supplied with FTTP and it amounts to about 8 houses, and a handful of businesses.

Regarding the estate, about 10 properties are left to sell i think from a total of 186.
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Andrew,

CommunityFibre are in talks with the developer the now and supposedly their quote expires at the end of May at which point if they haven't taken the offer up, then they'll give the quote to the Community.

We're at a pivotal point the now though. If we went ahead with the quote, we can expect it to take at least 2 months to get everyone in the community onboard and then sign contracts with Openreach. Then it'll be another 12 months by that point before a FTTC Cabinet is installed. (just by going on normal timescales).

If we don't go ahead with the Community option, then our postcode falls under the R100 plan which means the SG will pick up the cost (but that could be 2021 before that happens, but at the same time, it could be late 2019 it goes in at the earliest by the SG).

Usually four fibres for the VDSL2 cabinet

Which is fed by an aggregation node, so the fibres may be nearby and spare but are NOT in a PCP they are likely in a hole in the ground. Space wise if bundled into single cable would fit into the space of an Ethernet cable.

The costs is not about running the fibres from the exchange, but the extension from the aggregation node point to the premises.

Ok, so there is the possibility that the fibres are nearby and if the aggregation node is right beside the junction box for my estate (give or take 5m), then it's just a case of those minor civils works to link box to node and then utilise the brand new grey bt ducting that has been installed to supply to the properties.

So the main cost here is the labour for pulling/blowing the fibre through and the material cost for it.

I'd love to try and find the right person at Openreach to ask them about it.

Been given an indication from the Community side that the Developer is about to agree to put in FTTC for the estate, and it appears my line (and a few others) is supposedly going to be fed from Woodhead Road now, but whether it's FTTP or an old copper line, it remains to be seen.

Trying to get information from site, openreach and anyone else who can nudge and find out what new design that Newsites team have came up with and whether it is a FTTP connection they are putting in for me...

Had some positive news yesterday that the developer has now agreed to a contract to install the cabinet.

Been told that it can take up to 12 months for it to be installed.