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Standard User caffn8me
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 18-May-18 12:47:14
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Openreach FTTP ONT question 2


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One site I manage has now got FTTP up and running and it's the ONT with four RJ45 ports.

Would I be right in thinking that if it was necessary in the future to add a second FTTP connection (possibly from a different ISP) that it could just be squirted out of one of the currently unused RJ45 ports and that the ONT will support four simultaneous FTTP services?

Sarah

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Standard User j0hn83
(experienced) Fri 18-May-18 13:05:00
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Re: Openreach FTTP ONT question 2


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Yes.
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 18-May-18 13:08:43
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In theory, yes, that particular ONTE could provide four separate broadband services and two ATA voice ports....

Never seen it done like this in anger/practice

There was a poster on here who claimed he had two ports in use as some form of trial

The new ONT’s are single port, so looks like it won’t happen for now.

Installed a second FTTP service to a residential property a while back, one business one res, and queried it, but was told no, fit a second ONT.


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Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Fri 18-May-18 17:10:17
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Re: Openreach FTTP ONT question 2


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In reply to a post by Zarjaz:
In theory, yes, that particular ONTE could provide four separate broadband services and two ATA voice ports....

Never seen it done like this in anger/practice

There was a poster on here who claimed he had two ports in use as some form of trial

The new ONT’s are single port, so looks like it won’t happen for now.

Installed a second FTTP service to a residential property a while back, one business one res, and queried it, but was told no, fit a second ONT.

Oh, well when I was resolving the issue in upgrading to Ultrafast 2 I got chatting to them asking when Business connections will support the ~300Mbps speeds without the need for leased line.

Basically I was after a static IP due to I hate having the IP change while I am remotely connected to a server with several files open to then have the connection dropped and the files kept open resulting in lost data.

This was when I was told where I have a 4 port ONT I "could" just get 4 Premium Infinity connections or to save money get 4 Unlimited Infinity connections and then get equipment to bond them together to get 320Mbps down and 80Mbps up and that I don't require a phone line for any of them.

I was like yeah and a 4x monthly bill.

So BT are still possibly supporting the 4 ports on the old ONT, but there is nothing stopping them from setting up the 4 packages and then have the hardware just feed the combined speed of ~320Mbps (down) and ~80Mbps (up) and just using the one port for simplicity.

But you cannot always trust what you get told sometimes.

Paul

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Standard User candlerb
(regular) Fri 18-May-18 18:22:24
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Re: Openreach FTTP ONT question 2


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Is the 330/50 service available in your area? Seems to make much more sense than bonding a bunch of slower services.
Standard User fredfox
(experienced) Fri 18-May-18 18:34:26
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I've got a 4 port ONT, with BT on port 1 and Zen on port 2 smile

https://ibb.co/mmBHMT

Here's my original thread where I asked a similar question. It's been over a year and (touch wood) not had a single drop out (that I've noticed)

Pipex
Nildram
UKFSN
Be *
Xilo / Uno
Now -> Zen and BT

Fibre is here ! FTTP smile

Edited by fredfox (Fri 18-May-18 18:42:48)

Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Fri 18-May-18 18:37:39
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In reply to a post by candlerb:
Is the 330/50 service available in your area? Seems to make much more sense than bonding a bunch of slower services.

Yeah, I am on it now.

I just really wanted a Static IP so that I don't get caught out when the connection drops to reissue a new IP.

And that BT only provide Static IP's with their business connections, sadly their business connections have a gap in speeds between 80Mbps and the 10Gbps Leased Line, so there is no 330 product for business connections.

And I didn't want to drop down to 80Mbps Speeds just to get a Static IP, and getting 4x80Mbps connections bonded was BT's answer to it.

So I stuck with Ultrafast 2 with no Static IP and now when I am doing stuff remotely I open the files change what's needed and then save and close the files, sure its extra steps, but its doable.

Paul

BTBroadband - Ultrafast 2 + FVA
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Edited by PaulKirby (Fri 18-May-18 18:51:46)

Standard User Michael_Chare
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 18-May-18 18:56:38
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In reply to a post by Zarjaz:
Installed a second FTTP service to a residential property a while back, one business one res, and queried it, but was told no, fit a second ONT.

Did you then have to install a 2nd fibre, or is there a way to make use of the existing fibre?

Michael Chare
Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Fri 18-May-18 19:09:20
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In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:
In reply to a post by Zarjaz:
Installed a second FTTP service to a residential property a while back, one business one res, and queried it, but was told no, fit a second ONT.

Did you then have to install a 2nd fibre, or is there a way to make use of the existing fibre?

I assume it would be another cable due to the premade cable I would assume would only have the single fibre cable in it.

But depending on how it sends and receives the data at both ends, surely they could have it send and receive for both connections, that way only a single fibre and single port ONT would be needed.

Not too sure how the router side of things would work, but it should work due to its only routing 2 gateways, as well as needing faster throughput.

Paul

BTBroadband - Ultrafast 2 + FVA
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Edited by PaulKirby (Fri 18-May-18 19:15:37)

Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 18-May-18 20:16:18
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A second lead in cable, between the CSP and ONT, yes ....

Blown fibre up to the CSP is four fibres already,

Standard User caffn8me
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 19-May-18 00:05:49
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In reply to a post by fredfox:
I've got a 4 port ONT, with BT on port 1 and Zen on port 2 smile

https://ibb.co/mmBHMT

Here's my original thread where I asked a similar question. It's been over a year and (touch wood) not had a single drop out (that I've noticed)
Excellent, thank you very much for that. I currently have Zen on port 1 and may need more bandwidth for multiple site-to-site VPNs. No hurry just yet as the remote sites currently only have ADSL and speeds of less than 11Mbps.

Sarah

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Standard User candlerb
(regular) Sat 19-May-18 10:21:59
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Re: Openreach FTTP ONT question 2


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In reply to a post by PaulKirby:
I just really wanted a Static IP so that I don't get caught out when the connection drops to reissue a new IP.

And that BT only provide Static IP's with their business connections, sadly their business connections have a gap in speeds between 80Mbps and the 10Gbps Leased Line, so there is no 330 product for business connections.


You could always switch to another provider. Examples:

Cerberus FTTP Pro will give you 330/50 and up to 8 static IPs. £62.50/month +VAT = £75.00/month.

Zen Unlimited Full Fibre 4 will also give you 330/50 with a static IP. £64.16/month +VAT = £76.99/month.

Strangely, Zen's business packages seem to go up to 300/20 only. You could query it with them. However if you're happy with a "home" service with static IP, it's not a problem.

Also check https://www.thinkbroadband.com/packages/fttp-broadband in case there are any more.
Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Sat 19-May-18 14:51:10
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In reply to a post by candlerb:
In reply to a post by PaulKirby:
I just really wanted a Static IP so that I don't get caught out when the connection drops to reissue a new IP.

And that BT only provide Static IP's with their business connections, sadly their business connections have a gap in speeds between 80Mbps and the 10Gbps Leased Line, so there is no 330 product for business connections.


You could always switch to another provider. Examples:

Cerberus FTTP Pro will give you 330/50 and up to 8 static IPs. £62.50/month +VAT = £75.00/month.

Zen Unlimited Full Fibre 4 will also give you 330/50 with a static IP. £64.16/month +VAT = £76.99/month.

Strangely, Zen's business packages seem to go up to 300/20 only. You could query it with them. However if you're happy with a "home" service with static IP, it's not a problem.

Also check https://www.thinkbroadband.com/packages/fttp-broadband in case there are any more.

Thanks for doing the checks.

I did look around when we became out of contract back in December, but they all were a lot more than what we are paying now and the price difference was too much to pay for just a Static IP.

Also adding another set of people into the loop makes things harder to get things resolved if there is an issue, where as being with BT you only have them to deal with and they have been rather quick as late.

TBH its a shame that you cannot just pay £5 to £8 per month for one, but its not the end of the world.

I will just keep making sure to close all files once I am finished with them for now.

Its a shame I cannot have BT reissue the IP every first day of each month, that would make things easier lol

Well we are in contract with BT for the next 18 Months, so I will look into this again then.

Paul

BTBroadband - Ultrafast 2 + FVA
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Edited by PaulKirby (Sat 19-May-18 14:55:52)

Standard User candlerb
(regular) Sat 19-May-18 21:00:45
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Also adding another set of people into the loop makes things harder to get things resolved if there is an issue


It shouldn't make a difference. The underlying fibre connectivity is provided by Openreach; but you deal directly with a service provider (which could be BT, Cerberus, Zen etc).

Openreach are obliged to treat all the service providers the same, and not give any special favours to BT.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Fri 25-Oct-19 12:00:29
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I recently got a second FTTP 330/50 line activated on my multi-port ONT. This was with a different CP and it took around 24hrs for the second line to go live on port 2, so fairly straightforward. A FTTP migration order (aka succession order) takes slighty longer @ 7-10 days but i wanted to keep my 330/30 service (FoD) untouched as this will now be used exclusively for business whilst the second 330/50 service will be for residential use.

Hope this helps smile

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Standard User Taras
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 25-Oct-19 12:48:52
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In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
I recently got a second FTTP 330/50 line activated on my multi-port ONT. This was with a different CP and it took around 24hrs for the second line to go live on port 2, so fairly straightforward. A FTTP migration order (aka succession order) takes slighty longer @ 7-10 days but i wanted to keep my 330/30 service (FoD) untouched as this will now be used exclusively for business whilst the second 330/50 service will be for residential use.

Hope this helps smile


Thanks for the update. At least we now have a poster on here who has 2 fibre connections. Enjoy the extra squirted light bits ..
Standard User j0hn83
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 25-Oct-19 16:36:07
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A FTTP migration order (aka succession order) takes slighty longer @ 7-10 days.


Should take longer.

OFCOM rules mean a minimum of 10 working days between migrations.

I don't think FTTP is any different.
The OFCOM docs simply state it covers
fixed-line Telecommunications Services provided within Openreach’s Access Network;
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 25-Oct-19 17:55:03
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At least we now have a poster on here who has 2 fibre connections.

I seem to recall another, fairly common poster, who’d got a second service through their four port ONT. Can’t recall their moniker though . (helpful huh)

Standard User fredfox
(experienced) Fri 25-Oct-19 18:31:51
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That was me smile

BT on one port, Zen on the other. Been running for getting on for 2 1/2 years.
https://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/t/4538850-2-...

I even posted up there https://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/t/4592011-re...

smile

Pipex
Nildram
UKFSN
Be *
Xilo / Uno
Now -> Zen and BT

Fibre is here ! FTTP smile

Edited by fredfox (Fri 25-Oct-19 18:34:46)

Standard User Taras
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 25-Oct-19 18:55:49
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My bad, I'm sorry @FredFox, well your in a very small club of 2 smile
Standard User fredfox
(experienced) Fri 25-Oct-19 20:24:37
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laugh no worries. We can't all read every post and remember all of those that we do read.

Pipex
Nildram
UKFSN
Be *
Xilo / Uno
Now -> Zen and BT

Fibre is here ! FTTP smile
Standard User PhilipD
(experienced) Sat 26-Oct-19 15:24:54
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Hi

BT uses GPON, this splits the light in the fibre between up to ~32 other properties. It's completely passive, just using optics to spread the light between everyone else.

This means that everyone on the same fibre receives everyone else's data including their own. That single fibre arriving at your property is flashing away with around 2.5GBps of data, with the ONT only listening to data tagged for you. This is why a second service can be enabled on the same fibre without physically needing another fibre cable, as it's all there anyway.

For security of course data is encrypted and only your ONT can decrypt your data, this is why you can't just randomly switch out your ONT for another one unless BT register it against your account.

Regards

Phil
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