In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

How is this �freeloading� ?
If all served by the same copper DP, then they ought to be able to order FTTP once it�s installed, if they choose.

There are multiple DPs. The DP in questions appears to serve only the school and some extra homes as mentioned.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

maybe ask them to chip in too, reduce the initial costs for all.

Did that, they were not interested, I expect because they are closer to the current FTTC cabinet by a good 100m and already get better speeds.

Personally, I'm prepared to go the FTTPoD route is necessary but the partnership was set up in part so that the local school could benefit from a FTTP solution. Should add that school gets over 30mbps so isn't eligible for BT grants.

> The residents of the Partnership are querying if it is mandatory under the build requirements that these other homes end up effectively freeloading in this instance?

OR own the FTTP network. They are free to expand and deploy as they choose, when it makes economic sense to do so. That includes using *their* network to offer service to other nearby properties.

The CFP users are getting the service they asked for, at the price they agreed to. Why should it then matter who else gets FTTP?

In reply to a post by candlerb:

The CFP users are getting the service they asked for, at the price they agreed to.

No price has been agreed, nor contract signed at this stage. Good job too it could be argued as it looks like the first quote obtained thus far is based off inaccurate info re existing infrastructure in the area.

If you follow the other recent thread then you can easily confirm which properties share a copper DP with the school.

If they do share a copper DP with the school then
OpenReach policy will be to activate all properties that share copper DP's involved.

You need to remember you are only contributing to OpenReach's network, not them to yours. While I would be slightly annoyed at such "freeloaders" the same would apply if a single neighbor in a row of 10 didn't want to contribute.
OpenReach won't skip that 1 property.

Edited by j0hn83 (Wed 15-Aug-18 15:00:25)

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

If you follow the other recent thread then you can easily confirm which properties share a copper DP with the school.

If they do share a copper DP with the school then
OpenReach policy will be to activate all properties that share copper DP's involved.

You need to remember you are only contributing to OpenReach's network, not them to yours. While I would be slightly annoyed at such "freeloaders" the same would apply if a single neighbor in a row of 10 didn't want to contribute.
OpenReach won't skip that 1 property.

Do you mean the thread about using browser developer panel to find a dp?

In reply to a post by Webbs:

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

If you follow the other recent thread then you can easily confirm which properties share a copper DP with the school.

If they do share a copper DP with the school then
OpenReach policy will be to activate all properties that share copper DP's involved.

You need to remember you are only contributing to OpenReach's network, not them to yours. While I would be slightly annoyed at such "freeloaders" the same would apply if a single neighbor in a row of 10 didn't want to contribute.
OpenReach won't skip that 1 property.

Do you mean the thread about using browser developer panel to find a dp?

Yes, that's the one. I would imagine handy for your circumstances.

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

Yes, that's the one. I would imagine handy for your circumstances.

Yeah can't work out how to do that. Inspector in Chrome doesn't list anything like what looks like DP.

EDIT - Nevermind, worked it out now...

Edited by deleted (Wed 15-Aug-18 17:08:23)

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

Yes, that's the one. I would imagine handy for your circumstances.

Well, this just got a bit weirder...

I have the landline number for the school. According to the method described in other thread, and when I search via the landline, the school is on DP no. 83. However, if I search for the school's postcode and select the school from the list of premises the result is DP no. 195. There is a pre-school on the same site, and the landline for this is on DP no. 83.

Of the additional residential premises I referred to in my earlier posts, none of those are on DP no. 83. Four premises are on DP no. 196, six are on DP no. 195, five on DP no. 194, and one on DP no. 79.

So, if the landline search was correct (I expect this to be more accurate than the address search) then the school is not on the same DP as any of the additional premises.

Then I would try relay that info to whoever is dealing with your case.

If it's an aerial feed you may be able to tell by eye if they come from the same pole top DP.

I would politely reference the fact that you believe the School to be on DP 83 and not 195.
Also more than half the additional properties aren't even on DP 195.

Then ask the real reason they are included.

They will either remove them or perhaps be more honest as the sharing DP answer obviously doesn't wash.

They may well be able to build their own network how they wish but honesty goes a long way!

edit: they may ask where you got your DP info. I'd just say I had a relative who worked for Openreach they may be less inclined to fob you off with lies in the future

Edited by j0hn83 (Thu 16-Aug-18 03:02:18)

Wasn't it agreed on that other thread that the DP quoted is for copper and the fibre DP will be different? So it could be that the current copper goes from multiple DPs to the school and nearby properties but the proposed fibre DPs are the same.

I know that in my case our DP is in our village (a pole outside our house that serves 5 properties) but there is no fibre in the village so the lines all go back to the nearest town which is likely to be where the nearest fibre DP is. It's anyone's guess where they would choose to build a fibre DP if they were to run it to us. In practise unless someone pays them £39k for FTTPoD they won't build a fibre DP at all and we will get Gigaclear towards then end of next year.

Edited by deleted (Thu 16-Aug-18 10:07:55)