I think you may be confusing distribution points and aggregation points.

FTTC cabinets are fed from aggregation points and they supply the PCPs which feed the existing phone line distribution points. FTTP and FTTPoD are also fed to their own dedicated distribution points from those aggregation points. (Potted version).

Edited by RobertoS (Thu 16-Aug-18 11:04:41)

In reply to a post by andyhurley:

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I know that in my case our DP is in our village (a pole outside our house that serves 5 properties) but there is no fibre in the village so the lines all go back to the nearest town which is likely to be where the nearest fibre DP is. It's anyone's guess where they would choose to build a fibre DP if they were to run it to us. In practise unless someone pays them £39k for FTTPoD they won't build a fibre DP at all and we will get Gigaclear towards then end of next year.

Pretty sure that were Openreach ever to deliver FTTP to you , and unless there are more properties in the locality than the 5 you mentioned, they'd put an 8 port fibre DP on the same pole as the existing copper, and run that back to a splitter node somewhere. They wouldn't run 5 separate cables from a DP far away.

That's never going to happen though as the local residents are not interested.

The business across the road is interested but has ordered a leased line and I was talking to the owner last night. He is mightily annoyed that he ordered a 100mbps line last year, was promised it by June, poles were erected last week which do not go across the field to his property and now he has been told October. He is paying serveral 10s of thousands for this 'priority' installation not to mention £700 a month once it is live. I told him not to worry, I priced up FTTPoD and was quoted £39k so decided to wait for Gigaclear some time next year.

Apologies for getting DP and AN mixed up. I was sure there had been mention of different DPs for fibre and copper on the other thread.

Leased line should carry a 100 Mbps guarantee on bandwidth, i.e. no peak time slow downs and may even include things like diverse routing to avoid things like a single fibre break causing an outage.

Most FTTP while it is still fibre is still different to a leased line type service, the big one is where as a FTTP operator will start to invoke AUP clauses if they see you sustaining 100 Mbps constantly for a couple of weeks, with a leased line they will not blink at all.

Apologies for getting DP and AN mixed up. I was sure there had been mention of different DPs for fibre and copper on the other thread

There was. They are different and will be numbered different.
Generally though a fibre DP will go where an existing copper DP is.
In most cases the same properties that share a copper DP will share a fibre DP.

With FTTPoD it's automatic that properties that share a copper DP are all enabled for FTTP when any of the properties make an order. That's because they will share a fibre DP.

It's extremely likely that your small grouping of rural properties that share a copper DP will share a fibre DP.

In some cases this won't be the case as with everything 1 rule doesn't fit them all.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Most FTTP while it is still fibre is still different to a leased line type service, the big one is where as a FTTP operator will start to invoke AUP clauses if they see you sustaining 100 Mbps constantly for a couple of weeks, with a leased line they will not blink at all.

Good point but probably not relevant for either of us. They are running a conference centre (no big servers and bursty usage as clients come and go), their website is not even hosted on-site so previous tests of response from it are irrelevant. My use will just be for residential use although I do work from home occasionally but my wife and daughter using iPlayer etc will account for more bandwidth.

If the bandwidth guarantees are not important then the equation is this...

1. Leased line, low upfront cost but higher long term cost
2. FTTPoD high upfront cost but costs less per month to run

I did the maths on this and its something like a 5 to 7 year point at which FoD is the cheaper option.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

the big one is where as a FTTP operator will start to invoke AUP clauses if they see you sustaining 100 Mbps constantly for a couple of weeks,

For the 14 months or so I've had FTTPoD installed, I haven't seen speeds drop below 300 Mbps on Fluidone at anytime of the day. Probably been very lucky, but I'm basically getting leased line performance on FTTPoD without the leased line costs - obviously without the SLA of course. My typical usage is anywhere between 500gb to 1TB per month so its high-ish but not ridiculously high. I remember last year Cerberus telling everyone they had a AUP/FUP of 750 GB pm on FTTPoD with a monthly price of £88.50 before backtracking.

100 Mbps constant for 2 weeks is 15 TB of data, and a leased line provider should not blink at that.

Leased lines are usually sold as 100 Mbps sustained with burst to some much higher figure i.e. the 100 is what they budget in their core network for you to use.

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

There was. They are different and will be numbered different.
Generally though a fibre DP will go where an existing copper DP is.
In most cases the same properties that share a copper DP will share a fibre DP.

With FTTPoD it's automatic that properties that share a copper DP are all enabled for FTTP when any of the properties make an order. That's because they will share a fibre DP.

It's extremely likely that your small grouping of rural properties that share a copper DP will share a fibre DP.

In some cases this won't be the case as with everything 1 rule doesn't fit them all.

Thanks for explaining that, its something i was questioning also. Hopefully that should be the case for me, even I won't know till september at the very earliest