The combined fibre/copper dropwire

As our little dinky hamlet is starting to see the signs of fttp being deployed I have a question. We currently have a single dropwire which supplies two phone lines to our house. Do the hybrid dropwires have more than one copper pair ?

(trying not to make this post confusing)

Edited by Taras (Fri 14-Sep-18 16:20:05)

No, single copper pair only.

If the two lines currently run through a two pair dropwire, then that�ll just be left in situ.

Ahh ok.. Thanks for the clarifcation Zarjaz!.. Now i just hope my property is connected (bduk fttp coverage)

You do realise that you�ll not be automatically connected ?

You�ll have to place an order with the provider of your choice once the infrastructure is in place.

Would you still want 2 copper lines if you had FTTP? If I was able to get it I would use a VOIP phone service and not pay any phone line rental although I believe for some inexplicable reason BT retail don't allow this and still charge line rental even on FTTP only services using fibre voice access (FVA) which is basically VOIP. Other ISPs are more reasonable and allow a fibre only connection with no copper line rental charge.

Inexplicable ? So this stuff will just maintain itself ?

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

You do realise that you�ll not be automatically connected ?

yes i do

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

You�ll have to place an order with the provider of your choice once the infrastructure is in place.

Yep And if i want to stay with my current provider, i will have to wait a little. My reply to you, was a poor phrasing of words, i meant connected as in "copper dp with in 160m of me", as according to Hampshire county council, only part of my post code will be able to order fttp (the road has only 18 properties)

I don't want to port both lines to voip. Anyhoo one of the copper lines will go after any fttp install, as i don't need the 2nd phone line. The ideal situation is have the internet line go straight fibre only and the other line use the copper pair on the hybrid line. I may not be able get this done at install time, hence my original question and also why i said, i don't want to complicate it .

Hampshire, whereabouts ? I cover a bit of Hampshire.

will pm you

So why do some ISPs allow FTTP without copper line rental? I don't think they are giving anything away.

That sounds like a typical hash.... though would also be interested in more details. If say the 18 properties are spread over 3 miles through the New Forest it's more understandable than if it's a typical suburban close of semis and detached properties over the length of say 200m, all ducted. And the road isn't private. Etc.

The HCC Superfast Broadband site should tell you for your property if you're due to get a fibre service or not though. It does seem to give specific answers for each property. Have you looked all 18 properties up to see if you different answers for any? Obviously whatever the site says doesn't give any guarantee but it's a good indicator.

I expect they cover the cost in some other less overt way.

In reply to a post by olicuk:

That sounds like a typical hash.... though would also be interested in more details. If say the 18 properties are spread over 3 miles through the New Forest it's more understandable than if it's a typical suburban close of semis and detached properties over the length of say 200m, all ducted. And the road isn't private. Etc.

It is the New Forest, private road, one duct(known to me) and the rest overhead cabling . But not 3 miles but about 400 to 800m adjoining roads either side.

In reply to a post by olicuk:

The HCC Superfast Broadband site should tell you for your property if you're due to get a fibre service or not though. It does seem to give specific answers for each property. Have you looked all 18 properties up to see if you different answers for any? Obviously whatever the site says doesn't give any guarantee but it's a good indicator.

For FTTC they have been very open about which properties will get that. We had fttc back in 2015, but with our cab, the bulk of properties connected would receive sub 24mbits, which they did.

For FTTP, they are only releasing post code information, with mine being partial (on a post code of 18 houses). I should be ok as i'm about 2 poles from the copper dp, the sensible thing to do, is move the cbt forward a pole or two so that they can cover the 3 or 4 houses that will miss coverage.

The fttp has been delayed by at least a year, they already put a joint box in last august for the fibre, and the first signs of fibre cable on the poles happened in the last two weeks. roadworks.org showed work to be done at main road for September to only be pushed back to Oct.

The complications was always in the detail.

Edited by Taras (Sat 15-Sep-18 09:47:04)

In reply to a post by Realalemadrid:

So why do some ISPs allow FTTP without copper line rental? I don't think they are giving anything away.

FTTP without line rental is more expensive than FTTP with line rental.
ISP's can choose to offer this or not but a huge chunk of the cost of maintaining the network has always been tied up in line rental.

People shouldn't just expect FTTP without line rental or SOGEA price to be as simple as broadband price minus line rental price.

"People shouldn't just expect FTTP without line rental or SOGEA price to be as simple as broadband price minus line rental price."

Alas that is what many think will be the case i.e. broadband will be £1 to £5/m without having to pay line rental.

Agreed, already seen a few posts on here with people wanting FTTP as cheap as chips.

A robust infrastructure comes at a price, shaving away at margins eventually leads to providers having to cut corners to offer the products the consumers believe they deserve and want to pay peanuts for. A false economy IMHO.

Exactly.
My current BT Infinity 1 is £26.49
Like rental is what, £19.99 with BT? My bill bundles them now.

I don't expect SOGEA FTTC (naked DSL/no landline) to be £6.49, or £9.99, or anything close to that.

When OpenReach start offering this service (being trialled? I've seen it showing available on lines recently) the cost of maintaining the copper part of the link will be moved from line rental to broadband. It just doesn't go away.

The Openreach price for line rental will be £9.218pm including Vat from 1 October this year. Currently £9.148. (They charge varying amounts in whole pence per month to arrive at that average over a full year).