10Gbps FTTP

Community Fibre Ltd is now offering a symmetrical 10Gbps FTTP business connection for a surprisingly reasonable £500 per month +VAT

I can see this sort of service replacing leased lines as it's far more cost effective. My old 64kbps leased line used to cost more than this. Back in those days it was quite difficult to fill all that bandwidth too

Edited by caffn8me (Sat 10-Nov-18 03:22:47)

A lot depends on the contention ratio they are provisioning at, it may be 10 Gbps dedicated to their core network but how much do you have out to the Internet?

Firms really needing leased lines are also that need to be able to run them at maximum speed for lengthy or mission critical periods of time.

A leased line should also be more secure.

Two things that matter:

1. Where is it available?
2. What's the "fair usage policy"?

For question 1: there is no availability checker, but there is a hint which says "we have already started the network build in Westminster, Wandsworth, Camden and now Hammersmith and Fulham". Later it says: "You can only get Community Fibre if enough people in your location show interest. If your location qualifies, we�ll begin construction."

For question 2: a peak bandwidth of 10G is one thing; a committed bandwidth something else. If they have a customer who uses 10G continuously it will cost them much more than the price they're charging.

They claim there is no limit. I think they are lying.

In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:

A leased line should also be more secure.

How so? As far as I am concerned, any data which leaves or enters an end user's site which isn't encrypted is totally insecure anyway.

Edited by caffn8me (Sat 10-Nov-18 18:05:40)

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In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:

A leased line should also be more secure.

How so? As far as I am concerned, any data which leaves or enters an end user's site which isn't encrypted is totally insecure anyway.

A public address can receive all kinds of attacks and rubbish. A leased line should only receive data from the other end.

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A public address can receive all kinds of attacks and rubbish. A leased line should only receive data from the other end.

You might be confusing "leased line" with "private circuit".

"Leased line" normally implies Internet access. It's a dedicated, uncontended circuit to your ISP, but you are fully on the Internet with one or more public IP addresses.

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In reply to a post by caffn8me:

In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:

A leased line should also be more secure.

How so? As far as I am concerned, any data which leaves or enters an end user's site which isn't encrypted is totally insecure anyway.

A public address can receive all kinds of attacks and rubbish. A leased line should only receive data from the other end.

As candlerb states, you're confusing a point-to-point private circuit with a leased line. The former is used to connect the LANs at different sites together directly without going over the internet. The latter connects a site to an ISP. It can also be used to connect the LANs at different sites together using a variety of VPN solutions but all the traffic passes over the internet.

I think you're also a bit unclear what a public address is. Unless you're connected with what's called Carrier Grade NAT (Hyperoptic uses this), your internet connection will have an exposed public IP address too. If the connection supports IPv6 it will have more than one public IP address.

The main difference between your connection and mine is that I have had a connection with a block of static IP addresses ever since 1998.

When you reboot your router, it may very well get allocated a different IP address. My router doesn't.

The two leased lines I had at home in the past did indeed receive all sorts of rubbish and I have been receiving incoming rubbish constantly ever since 1998. That's why I have always used an enterprise grade firewall - which shows over 60,000 connection attempts blocked last week. I'd have to upgrade to something a bit meatier to take advantage of a 10Gbps connection though. My current firewall only has gigabit ethernet.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

They claim there is no limit. I think they are lying.

I don't actually feel they're lying if they don't explicitly impose a cap on the amount of data you can download.

The speed may vary due to the traffic from other users, and the capacity of the core network and peering, but they're neither saying you can only download so many gigabytes a month, nor saying you've got a 1Gbps connection but you can only download at 500Mbps.

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In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:

A leased line should also be more secure.

How so? As far as I am concerned, any data which leaves or enters an end user's site which isn't encrypted is totally insecure anyway.

Pretty much that... Add on that most pon fttp variants have basic encryption for traffic then Michael's comment is a bit daft