Now we have VM, do we go to the back of the FTTP queue?

Virgin Media have recently dug up all the pavements in north-west Bath and installed something - presumably fibre, although it seems limited to 350Mbps max. (I'm not sure what speeds are available with OpenReach FTTP).
I would really welcome a faster connection but I'm not interested in VM because:
- don't want to be tied to VM as ISP (prefer Zen)
- don't want to be forced to buy TV packages
- very expensive to get max speed due to the bundling

Does the fact that my house could now be served by VM (which I guess counts as Ultrafast) mean that OpenReach will put us at the back of the queue for "proper" FTTP? If so, I'm quite angry I wasn't given the chance to object.

Does anyone know what criteria OpenReach use to decide the order of FTTP installation nationally? (or even G.fast)?

You weren�t giving the chance to object ??

Can you imagine how long such roll outs might take if these private companies had to await full concensus from every home owner, landlord and business ? Sheesh.

Having Virgin there would prevent you getting any state funded (BDUK) FTTP work.
Half decent FTTC does the same though.

OpenReach can and do deliberately target Virgin areas as they are a competitor after all.
So it doesn't "put you to the back of the queue" as such.
It may make your area less financially appealing as the take up rates are likely to be lower in areas already covered by Virgin.

Has your area had Virgin for years and it's being expanded or is it a whole new build area?
New builds are usually FTTP but expansions in existing coax/HFC areas will still be coax.

The first thing you need to do is get over yourself lol

2nd: you don't need to have tv if you don't want it.i don't
3rd: you don't need to have a bundle either if you don't want it.i don't
4th: you can have broadband only as i have,Compared to others i think it's too cheap,i'd be happy to pay more.That's a different subject though lol
5th: you are being too emotional regarding an isp.You have fast broadband on the doorstep.If you need/want fast broadband then use the tools you have that are available to you.If you don't like it or it does not perform as expected you can leave within 30 days anyway..
6th: You don't even need to have a landline either with VM:i don't


Have a great night

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

You weren�t giving the chance to object ??

Can you imagine how long such roll outs might take if these private companies had to await full concensus from every home owner, landlord and business ? Sheesh.

I rather think the OP was thinking along the lines of being able to object to a planning application. Even the likes of Virgin still have to lodge a planning application in able to destroy perfectly good roads and paths. VDSL and FTTP deployment is subject to planning applications as well, that's one reason it can take ages for planning approval for a VDSL cab.

In reply to a post by kitfit1:

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

You weren�t giving the chance to object ??

Can you imagine how long such roll outs might take if these private companies had to await full concensus from every home owner, landlord and business ? Sheesh.

I rather think the OP was thinking along the lines of being able to object to a planning application. Even the likes of Virgin still have to lodge a planning application in able to destroy perfectly good roads and paths. VDSL and FTTP deployment is subject to planning applications as well, that's one reason it can take ages for planning approval for a VDSL cab.

So you would rather they never bothered and just left everyone on ADSL and left the roads and pavements untouched ?

Suppose they could always use sky hooks and suspend the fibre from that

Why would they need planning permission when they have code powers to dig up public roads and footpaths?

In reply to a post by kitfit1:

I rather think the OP was thinking along the lines of being able to object to a planning application. Even the likes of Virgin still have to lodge a planning application in able to destroy perfectly good roads and paths. VDSL and FTTP deployment is subject to planning applications as well, that's one reason it can take ages for planning approval for a VDSL cab.

News to me.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecoms-and-interne...

Code powers allow an operator to have access to the public highway to perform certain street works necessary for the construction, inspection, maintenance, adjustment, repair and/or alteration of associated network apparatus, without the need for a specific street works licence.

Code powers also enable an operator to benefit from certain immunities from the Town and Country Planning legislation

The Code confers �code rights� on a person with Code powers. A �code right is a right �

to install electronic communications apparatus on, under or over the land;
to keep installed apparatus which is on, under or over land;
to inspect, maintain, and operate apparatus;
to carry out any works on the land to enable apparatus to be installed and maintained;
to gain access to land to maintain or operate apparatus;
to connect to a power supply;
to interfere with or obstruct a means of access to or from the land (whether or not any electronic communications apparatus is on, under or over the land), or
to lop or cut back any tree or other vegetation that could interfere with apparatus.

I rather think the OP was thinking along the lines of being able to object to a planning application. Even the likes of Virgin still have to lodge a planning application in able to destroy perfectly good roads and paths. VDSL and FTTP deployment is subject to planning applications as well, that's one reason it can take ages for planning approval for a VDSL cab.

VM contractors have been working on my road over the last week, putting up cabinets and digging up pavements and verges (I suppose to lay cables). All I received was a leaflet through the letterbox saying they will be doing all this work, there has certainly been nothing from the council regarding planning permission. Even roadworks.org is not showing any works taking place, although there definitely is work going on.

I have decent FTTC but was hoping OR FTTP would be installed rather than VM because, like the OP, I prefer my current ISP (especially static IP and, to a lesser extent, IPv6 support). VM being available at least increases choice and I hope OR FTTP comes along soon.

In reply to a post by teshy:

I have decent FTTC but was hoping OR FTTP would be installed rather than VM because, like the OP, I prefer my current ISP (especially static IP and, to a lesser extent, IPv6 support).

Note that AAISP allow you to access them through an L2TP tunnel, for £10/month. This gives you an AAISP static IPv4 and IPv6 address, and you can bring up the link on any provider.

Unfortunately it's capped at 100Mbps (dropping to 3Mbps if you exceed 1TB/month). But for example you could use tunnelled traffic for your work or server network, and native VM for household Internet.