"As areas and towns are converted over to full FTTP the old copper infrastructure will be removed, if nothing else the accountants will see to that. It's obvious it will happen, and needs to happen."

What date? Where is the announcement about this happening?

New developments - a very different scenario, and one that would have gone through scrutiny to ensure it did not unduly affect the market.

So for those relatives who lose handsets and cannot plug in anything, then they will fall into the vulnerable category then.

TalkTalk are already a PSTN provider, via the voice services delivered by the MSAN they have installed in a couple of thousand exchange buildings.

Centrally held, which may be the exchange or could be a cabinet...so what is central for one may not be central for all.

You are aware that a DSLAM can do voice and broadband, just called a MSAN when running multiple services like this.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

You are aware that a DSLAM can do voice and broadband, just called a MSAN when running multiple services like this.

No I didn't know that, always willing to learn.

Hi

What date? Where is the announcement about this happening?

I don't know the dates, I doubt any dates have been mentioned except for this 2025 year. It will happen when it happens. There are consultations happening as I'm sure you aware, one outcome is:

The consultation also uncovered broad support for a 'switchover' approach to FTTP which would migrate all customers onto the new platform - and retire the old one - as quickly as possible after it has been built in a given area. But it's clear that the operational complexity and cost of such a programme would be significant.

That consultation involves all industry players including TalkTalk. "Retire the old one" doesn't spell out what happens exactly, but I think most people would understand that to mean selling, mothballing or re-purposing exchanges and related equipment, removal of copper where there is scrap value that exceeds any removal cost.

TalkTalk are already a PSTN provider, via the voice services delivered by the MSAN they have installed in a couple of thousand exchange buildings.

Presumably why some CPs (we don't know which ones) have expressed an interest in making their own investment with preferential terms on using any new network. Just as Openreach realise there is little money to be made from PSTN running on an ageing infrastructure, with fewer and fewer calls made using it, so will have TalkTalk.

Some CPs are also interested in sharing the risk of the investment, but in return for preferential terms on the infrastructure that's built, with a variety of different models suggested. There were also a range of views expressed on how Openreach should decide on the scale, make-up and locations of the new network, and these will be considered in detail as the business develops its new network strategy.

Source https://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/news/ma...

Regards

Phil

And 2025 has been announced as proposed retirement date of the WLR service and have been to meetings where lots of WLR resellers have been briefed and asked for feedback etc

TalkTalk may change their position on retaining their MPF service delivered over the existing MSAN but position in late 2018 at these things was their voice services will continue unchanged.

Hi

I'm sure regulation will be changed to allow Openreach to terminate these services regardless of what TalkTalk desires, unless TalkTalk want to pay more of the running costs for legacy POTs.

The whole point of the Openreach investment in FTTP is to see the retirement of this ageing copper infrastructure and no will thank TalkTalk for holding that up or for preventing it's removal. TalkTalk will have to move with the times eventually, as come FTTP, they will be seen as outdated and their shareholders will be wanting to know what their future is. At the moment, they are trying to reassure their investors they still have a business after 2025, but their tack will change, especially when a lot of their customers migrate to FTTP anyway!

Regards

Phil

In reply to a post by PhilipD:

As for DECT cordless phones, again I have relatives that only use corded phones, they have no interest in cordless phones because it confuses them or they are too small to use, and in one case, she kept losing the handset!

So how long before a manufacturer brings out a corded alternative (even if it is a handset and base unit which are in reality connected together by a bit of wet string)?

When you call the emergency services from a fixed line or VoIP number that has been registered, they know exactly where you are calling from. It's not quite so easy when the call is from a mobile phone.

Most likely the voice over broadband unit will include a phone socket so those who want a corded phone, or the classic big button or other variants will be able to plug it directly in.

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I'd be amazed if they kept the non GEA exchanges open.

Closing telephone exchanges is nothing new, worked out of a few over the years that have closed, Wood Street springs to mind because of it history, they diverted all the main cables to Faraday and I think the exchange equipment was put in Baynard House.

[Edit] That doesn't include dozens of non-exchange buildings that closed like BTI Mondial House, Dowgate Hill, Falmouth Road, Houndsditch (where one of BT's deep tunnel extrances is) and Creechurch Lane to name just a few.

[Edit] Just thought of another one Riverside House, now home to OFCOM after they moved from Ludgate Hill.

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