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Standard User Andrue
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 10-May-19 11:31:53
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Alt.nets v. BT


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A discussion on TheRegister forums has lead me to wonder how many times BT has actually 'gazumped' an Alt.net by installing FTTP (or even FTTC) after the Alt.net has committed to upgrading the area.

Have there been (m)any cases of this actually happening?

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Fri 10-May-19 11:38:24
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Re: Alt.nets v. BT


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0.19% of UK premises have Openreach and another full fibre provider, the majority being Hyperoptic and Openreach both in new build apartments or Virgin Media on new estates.

Given specific locations can be more specific and that is the fun part of most of these debates, the veracity is greater than the reality.

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Standard User Andrue
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 10-May-19 12:23:25
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Re: Alt.nets v. BT


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Ah but is that because Alt.Nets keep having to give up and abandon projects when BT arrives (as quite a few people claim)?

I'm sure I've heard of one or two cases where that has happened but I've always assumed it's pretty unusual and probably the result of miscommunication rather than BT trying to prevent Alt.Nets from setting up.

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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 10-May-19 12:41:50
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Re: Alt.nets v. BT


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Look at Woolhampton and itís environs in Berkshire ....

Openreach had done FTTC, but Gigaclear have come along with FTTP....

Itís a CP eat CP world out there.

Standard User Garlic
(member) Fri 10-May-19 12:54:46
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
0.19% of UK premises have Openreach and another full fibre provider, the majority being Hyperoptic and Openreach both in new build apartments or Virgin Media on new estates.

Given specific locations can be more specific and that is the fun part of most of these debates, the veracity is greater than the reality.


The % of fibre enabled premises that have double provision might be the more interesting figure here.

@Andrue: I'm sure Ofcom would start getting interested if BT deliberately targeted alt nets but general overlap is inevitable and not inherently sinister.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Fri 10-May-19 13:12:59
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The % is 0.19% where one is Openreach as stated above.

Also have this at local authority/constituency levels

Not just Ofcom but clear targeting like this is a gift for press coverage as saying things bad about big corporations is always going to get plenty of coverage

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Fri 10-May-19 13:17:11
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Possibly happening and people give up,

BUT

With many altnet projects there is often one key person driving it forward and its easy for things to not happen for many reasons

Needs people to say the places concerned to be able to say more, otherwise just sits in the gossip folder

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Standard User Garlic
(member) Fri 10-May-19 13:34:04
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Not being pedantic Andrew but you said:

"0.19% of UK premises have Openreach and another full fibre provider"

There is clearly a diff between:

the % premises that have OR + another

And

the % of fib premises that have OR + another

In so far as we can see more easily what the degree of overlaps and therefore competition is.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Fri 10-May-19 14:22:48
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Aha % of fibre enabled premises...

Knowing uk fibre coverage is 7.33% lets you work that out...though might be 7.34% or higher tomorrow and overlap may change as new build home 30tracking keeps changing it.

2.6% of fib premises that have OR + another and if you remove Hyperoptic and Virgin Media it will look even smaller

In terms of absolute numbers looking at 57,000

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Standard User Garlic
(member) Fri 10-May-19 14:40:49
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Aha % of fibre enabled premises...

Knowing uk fibre coverage is 7.33% lets you work that out...though might be 7.34% or higher tomorrow and overlap may change as new build home 30tracking keeps changing it.

2.6% of fib premises that have OR + another and if you remove Hyperoptic and Virgin Media it will look even smaller

In terms of absolute numbers looking at 57,000


Thanks thats what I meant. Its quite hard finding the numbers for those comparisons.

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