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Standard User candlerb
(experienced) Tue 04-Aug-20 12:37:07
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Re: FTTPoD quotes, prices and general chat thread Part 6


[re: Whitehall11] [link to this post]
 
How do you know it has joints? It certainly will pass through multiple pull-points (underground chambers), but they could have pulled one long sub-duct and blown the fibre through that, which is what they did for my FTTPoD.

If the ducts are known to be clear and roped, pulling another sub-duct shouldn't be an issue as long as there's space for it.

Unfortunately, there's no way to know what it will cost short of placing an order.
Standard User steveham
(newbie) Wed 05-Aug-20 19:54:19
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Re: FTTPoD quotes, prices and general chat thread Part 6


[re: steveham] [link to this post]
 
We have some progress!

Duct has been delivered on Monday (3/08/2020) and we have started to duct up the field towards the two properties.
https://imgur.com/zBHkUQQ - Going at a depth of at least 2.5ft
https://imgur.com/RtfHduG - Nothing like a wet summer in NI

The civil contractors were also out on Monday to build the JF4 on the opposite side of the road to the node (thankfully there was a pre-existing duct than ran under the road).
https://imgur.com/yCpjZJ7 - Shuttered JF4
https://imgur.com/EvH1CAe - Shuttering was removed on Tuesday which revealed the original copper BT cable that was direct buried from here to the properties, pretty impressed they didn't sever it).
https://imgur.com/968SACg - JF4 in background and path that duct took to meet our field under fresh tarmac.
https://imgur.com/uBfNS46 - Duct meeting our ranch fence at farm boundary.

Edited by steveham (Wed 05-Aug-20 20:29:34)

Standard User Fastman3
(regular) Thu 06-Aug-20 13:51:59
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Re: FTTPoD quotes, prices and general chat thread Part 6


[re: Realalemadrid] [link to this post]
 
I'm not sure FTTC and FTTP at the fibre level are two separate technologies, I reckon FTTP uses a lot of blown fibre tubing and an FTTC cabinet has to connect to an aggregation node to get back to the head end.


this is Incorrect FTTC uses blown Fibre tubing and FTTC do not had to go back to aggregation nodes

FTTP does not uses blown fibre tubing and has to to find a path back to the nearest aggregation node and then to the Headend where the FTTP terminates


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Standard User dect
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 06-Aug-20 16:36:26
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Re: FTTPoD quotes, prices and general chat thread Part 6


[re: Fastman3] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Fastman3:
FTTC do not had to go back to aggregation nodes
So I am clear are you trying to say that not all FTTC cabinets are connected via an aggregation node?
Standard User Whitehall11
(newbie) Thu 06-Aug-20 21:25:27
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Re: FTTPoD quotes, prices and general chat thread Part 6


[re: dect] [link to this post]
 
Surely it would be cost effective for openreach simply to tap a FTTC Cabinets fibre for FTTP?
Standard User dect
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 06-Aug-20 22:27:34
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[re: Whitehall11] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Whitehall11:
Surely it would be cost effective for openreach simply to tap a FTTC Cabinets fibre for FTTP?
I refer you to the post below
In reply to a post by Realalemadrid:
in more rural areas Openreach are now installing subtended head end (SHE) FTTP where a local FTTC cab uses 4 extra fibres from the exchange with additional hardware installed (OLT/PON cards) to become the head end for up to 1024 FTTP premises. See this thread on Kitz

Kitz_link

It is a bit of a rambling thread but SHE is mentioned.

However if FTTPoD is in play you can guarantee Openreach will quote for a new fibre from the agg node and want many thousands of £.frown
Standard User j0hn83
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 06-Aug-20 22:28:21
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[re: Whitehall11] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Whitehall11:
Surely it would be cost effective for openreach simply to tap a FTTC Cabinets fibre for FTTP?


For a single order maybe, for the future build cost of the network probably not.
It could also complicate the network in the future.

They strategically placed the Aggregation Nodes deliberately with a future FTTP rollout in mind, ideally both their location and coverage
An Aggregation Node can serve around 1400 homes with FTTP.
An Aggregation Node usually serves 3 or 4 FTTC cabinets, depending on the area.
Ideally the number of homes those cabinets serves is under 1400, that way the single Aggregation Node placed for FTTC all those years ago is all that's needed for FTTP in the future.

I'm most cases there aren't enough spare fibres at the FTTC cabinet to serve all the homes that cabinet covers.

It might be cheaper for a single FTTPoD order to source the fibre from an FTTC cabinet but OpenReach build the network for an FTTPoD order in the same way as they build native FTTP.
OpenReach won't want a mix of different routing for FTTPoD and FTTP lines.
In years to come it could be very confusing if random splitters were fed from completely different directions to every other splitter in the area because of an old FTTPoD order.

There's already going to be ducting between the Aggregation Node and the FTTC cabinet so it's usually an easy job to take the fibre that route, without touching the FTTC cabinet or its spare fibres.

OpenReach do actually take fibres from the FTTC cabinet for FTTP in some rural deployments.

They can also add a Subtended Head End (new hardware) to the FTTC cabinet and serve upto 1024 homes with FTTP from there.
These again aren't the standard build types (at the moment) so won't be how many (if any) FTTPoD orders are built.
Standard User ChemistDude
(newbie) Sun 09-Aug-20 23:05:30
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[re: ChemistDude] [link to this post]
 
On Wednesday we had some Openreach workers onsite doing final checks on the ducts:
https://i.imgur.com/DJTmPULl.jpg

I went over for a chat and they said that the plans have been updated to include all streets in the development and that this is now a "high escalation" project with works commencing in 2-3 weeks. I don't want to get my hopes up too much so I've emailed my Openreach contact in the Infrastructure Solutions Executive Level Complants team for an update as that review should have taken place by now. Hopefully getting a response early this week.

I had also contacted West Yorkshire Combined Authority (Superfast West Yorkshire) and they have also been in contact with Openreach to request that all streets be covered. The chap I had been in contact with called me to say that Openreach have decided it is a no brainer to cover my street. Again I'll wait for official confirmation from my Openreach contact before getting too excited.

I for one will be absolutely amazed if it is the case that I have managed to get Openreach to both include my street and simultaneously ultra fast track the fibre roll out. Lets see what happens in the coming few weeks!!!

Edited by ChemistDude (Mon 10-Aug-20 07:38:44)

Standard User APTMAN
(member) Mon 10-Aug-20 10:55:43
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[re: ChemistDude] [link to this post]
 
Bad link !.
Standard User ChemistDude
(newbie) Mon 10-Aug-20 21:49:12
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[re: APTMAN] [link to this post]
 
So something strange happened today. Lots of Openreach vans showed up!
https://i.imgur.com/4d0jKvRl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/nWpKHhQl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/H6XdJ1nl.jpg

It seems they've laid fibre in my street! I spoke to one of the installers I spoke to last week when they were checking the ducts. He advised that it would be all connected up to the aggregation node in 3 days and that I should be able to order FTTP in a few weeks time.

I called my contact in Openreach and he advised it would be best to take what the workers on site say with a pinch of salt and to wait till he's heard back from the delivery manager. Still waiting for official confirmation but you can't argue with the fact that they have actually laid the fibre cable today! Lets see what the next few days brings.

HIGH ESCALATION INDEED!!!

Edited by ChemistDude (Mon 10-Aug-20 23:12:08)

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