How to encourage local FTTH installation

Hiya
Hoping someone can give me some pointers here...
Is there a way to encourage FTTH installation in my street/area?
If I get pledges from say 30% of homes around my area - would a fibre infrastructure company be interested?
cheers

Those who use trigger schemes might be but they usually run these via their own website.

The usual encouragement is a chunk of cash.

Openreach's Community Fibre Partnership worked for me and my neighbours. After a decade or more of glacial internet I got a 300Mbps fibre package in January, which I upgraded to gigabit last month.

The joy comes from the lack of pain

Given that we've been promised the whole UK will have it by 2025 I'd be inclined to wait.

We've not been promised FTTH, only "gigabit capable". And it wouldn't be the first politician's promise to be broken.

50% FTTH by 2025 sounds more plausible to me.

If the current broadband isn't great I can't see gigabit being sniffed at regardless of delivery method.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

We've not been promised FTTH, only "gigabit capable". And it wouldn't be the first politician's promise to be broken.

Could be any of:

* Openreach FTTP
* Virgin's DOCSIS (coax or fibre)
* Cellular data 5G

In reply to a post by kasg:

Given that we've been promised the whole UK will have it by 2025 I'd be inclined to wait.

Well there was a lot of the original FTTP 66% Commercial rollout that never went live back in 2011 / 2012 especially a lot of lines on my exchange where the hardware was installed but just wasn't commissioned off as being completed, so I wouldn't be shocked if are areas are like the same.

But to be honest I cannot see the whole of the UK getting FTTP by 2025 unless it via different providers like VM, BT and 5G etc, but you never know.

Paul

The Government is not saying all of the UK will have FTTP by 2025.

The target is 100% Gigabit coverage by the end of 2025, which is very different since VIrgin Media DOCSIS 3.1 counts and some 5G will too.

Also there was never a FTTP 66% commercial roll-out plan from BT, if I recall it was more in the order of 1 in 5 when originally talked about.

I think it was 66% commercial superfast coverage (FTTC/FTTP >30Mbit/s)

This was the expectation in the months before the BDUK projects got their funding

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

But to be honest I cannot see the whole of the UK getting FTTP by 2025 unless it via different providers like VM, BT and 5G etc, but you never know.

Yes, I realise my original comment needed qualification.

And we should also have Starlink by then too. So we don't even need to choose a British ISP.

Registering interest is more or a less a waste of time.

I am a Hyperoptic Champion of my building located in E1 London. Last 5 years my lousy Building Management team (EastendHomes) have refused to give permission to Hyperoptic despite persuading more than 30+ residents to register their interest successfully.

This is the story with my building with Hyperoptic.
3
Awaiting building permission

"We are yet to receive permission to install Hyperoptic Full Fibre broadband to your building."

Openreach also initially had FTTP as a plan for my EO Line. But it appears as though the management team refused to give Openreach the permission for FTTP. So my FTTP plan was then reverted back to FTTC and I now have FTTC as of October 2019 after 10+ years of waiting on EO Line.

Community Fibre another Altnet FTTP provider shows as

Coming soon

"We will be in your street soon. Please register your interest below to keep informed when you will be able to receive London's fastest 100% full fibre Internet."

But this is misleading and pure nonsense, because as we can see this is only showing Coming Soon because the provider has expressed interest in installing Fibre to that particular building, it does not mean FTTP will be installed any time soon. It means the street and building is recognized as one of their (cherry picked areas) that interest them based on location, number of registered interests and the large number of flats within the block.

Regardless of how much the ISP demonstrates interest, it simply won't happen until and unless the management team signs an agreement consent that they are happy to let the provider install within their premises.

Basically we need new legislative laws implemented to force FTTP installation. By now I would've had Hyperoptic in my building. But because the management team has no personal pecuniary interest, they don't want to bother inviting the representatives to sign the agreement consent.
Right now our problem is not that the ISP isn't interested, it is quite the contrary, the altnet ISP provider is very much interested, but is hopeless due to a problematic management team of a building that quite blatantly denies them the permission.

There is legislation in place to force their hand, but you will need more than 50% of the leaseholds to agree via right to manage. It was put in place precisely to get around this kind of shortsighted bloodymindedness, but I agree it's a bit of a sledgehammer to crack a walnut to get FTTP installed. I know Peabody is the same...

Nice one. That's exactly what we need.

Seems like these days the independent infrastructure companies are stepping up to deliver FTTP. Witness the rash of applications to Ofcom for code powers. Assuming an independent fibre installation - where they rent to multiple ISPs - their business case must rely on people signing up to fibre. I don't know how many homes in an area make it viable, but if they had knowledge of an area with 30% interest in switching to full-fibre that would be like business-case on a plate. Maybe I'm being too optimistic.

In reply to a post by cadoova:

Is there a way to encourage FTTH installation in my street/area?

As others have said, it's probably coming at some point, but if you want to be moved up the list, then it may be worth "lobbying" Openreach. In my experience, the best way to start is via the formal processes like Community Fibre Partnership. This at least gets you on their radar and may give you access to information about their plans which you might not otherwise get. An application also gets you a name/email address for future contact. As an example, it took me 4 years from first CFP contact, numerous update emails, contact at various levels of Openreach, requests put in by my ISP etc to finally get an FTTP connection. You may say that after 4 years it would have happened anyway, but there are still parts of my village where fibre infrastructure was started way before our work, and remains unfinished still. I'd like to think that by making a polite and reasonable nuisance of myself on behalf of my neighbours, we were moved up the list. It's worth exploring all avenues, but you have to be patient too!