FTTP @ 300 now with 500/1000 soon?

Any ISP types reading this offering 300 over Openreach FTTP with the potential for higher rate products without the business price tag?

The choice is BT or BT right now. The big 3 OLOs aren't selling anything FTTP at all or have no timescales.

Am I missing something or is this about the case? BT or £140 a month for 1000/220, which will be using BT Wholesale nearly as far as BT Consumer do anyway?

Disappointing that the big three OLOs are so slow to this game. Yes, Openreach don't install to homes right now but there are a few ONTs out there.

Zen offer FTTP.

They also have no idea when they'll be offering >300 and provision it over BT Wholesale which isn't ideal.

Good question really.

I thought "other ISP's" may be offering the higher tiers by now.

BT Business should be selling 1000/220 (instead of 1000/115) very soon, but I'd be very surprised if they were charging £100s per month which the likes of Cerberus, Trunk Networks etc are doing. I'm expecting BTB to sell it around the £100/m mark, maybe cheaper. As tempting as it is to take out BT's 1000/115 service, for ~£50/m, I'm waiting for the 1000/220 service to be released by their Business sibling. That extra 100 Mbps in upload will be very welcome!

Edited by deleted (Fri 24-Apr-20 10:53:43)

In reply to a post by Highland76:

BT Business should be selling 1000/220 (instead of 1000/115) very soon, but I'd be very surprised if they were charging £100s per month which the likes of Cerberus, Trunk Networks etc are doing. I'm expecting BTB to sell it around the £100/m mark, maybe cheaper.

That may be optimistic. The published Openreach wholesale price for a 1000/220 FTTP tail is £80+VAT per month (plus £500+VAT setup). That does not include backhaul, transit, BRAS termination / IP addresses, CPE, customer support, billing, or profit margin for BT Business.

The 500/165 tier may be more interesting. It has the best upload ratio of all the products, and the Openreach cost is £55+VAT.

Still silly when you consider that 1000/115 has an Openreach cost of only £31.28.

Yeah but you're forgetting BT/BTB is the biggest ISP out there so economies of scale come into it. Being BT Wholesale's biggest customer, BT Retail can (for example) purchase bandwidth significantly cheaper than smaller ISPs.

Edited by deleted (Fri 24-Apr-20 11:12:06)

In reply to a post by Highland76:

Yeah but you're forgetting BT/BTB is the biggest ISP out there so economies of scale come into it. Being BT Wholesale's biggest customer, BT Retail can (for example) purchase bandwidth significantly cheaper than smaller ISPs.

That's not BT's MO, so as candlerb said, highly unlikely.

However, have you considered the option of getting 2 1000/110 lines? You get that extra 100mbps upload and an extra 1gbit download. When no line rentals are in the equation, doing bonded/balanced broadband is an increasingly viable option.

Also, TalkTalk haven't announced their FTTP plans yet, but it's expected they'll use CityFibre in areas where Openreach don't operate, and then you get provider diversity when you have 1 line from BTW and the other from TTB. CityFibre is arguably better as they can provide symmetric 1000/1000 as opposed to BT & Virgin who with their dinosauritis just don't get the message that asymmetric is only necessary when limited by the technology.

It probably is their MO. Openreach and Wholesale have to treat all customers equally. So, as long as the discounts they offer to BT Retail are the same as the discounts they would offer for similar volume from other ISPs then they are fine - there just aren't many (any?) ISPs that could get the same volumes of customers.

I know Openreach work on a regulated price structure, but I wasn't aware Wholesale functioned in the same way.