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I am just asking people that are currently live on the 900:110 upwards packages to see what ISP, Package, Router, Location and the actual Speed you are receiving.
Hopefully this will help people in the future choose the right hardware etc to fit the ISP and the speed of the package chosen.
So here goes...
ISP: BT
Package: Full Fibre 900 + FVA (900Mbit, 110Mbit)
Router Using: MikroTik Tik RB4011iGS+RM (CPU at 25% load when using full connection)
Location: London (about 5.4km / 3.3 miles from Telehouse Docklands)
Speed Received: 880 - 890 Mbps.
I currently also have a SamKnows White Box inline, so that may or may not impact the speed due to hardware limitations, when I get some time I will temporary remove it from the chain and see if it changes.
I also have the new Smart Hub 2 (not sure on the revision) so at some point later on I will try that with and without the White Box inline.
I also have a few Switches setup here to reduce the required cables, this is also due to be upgraded.
I might use the 10Gbit ports to link the Switches, so new cable may needed to be installed for those.
Paul
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ISP: BT
Package: Full Fibre 900 Halo (910/110 estimated, 930/110 max on order) Live since 25 Mar
Router: Unifi UDM-Pro
Location: Herts, just north of M25
Speed achieved: 885mbps typical download as reported by UDM-P to Unifi servers; 750-820mbps to fast.com 120mbps solid upload
Typical unloaded upstream latency (as reported by router) - 2-3ms
Router running IPS and DPI
Edited by deleted (Fri 01-May-20 06:48:31)
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ISP: Cerberus Networks
Package: 900/110
Router Using: FireBrick 2900
Location: Eastbourne
Speed Received: Router specification limited me to about 500-550Mbps downstream (up to 750Mbps spec)
I will eventually switch to the EdgeRouter Pro 8 which I have spare.
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ISP: BT
Package: Fibre 900
Live since: About an hour ago...
Router Using: Linksys Velop AC2200 connected to Openreach ONT (no Smart Hub)
Location: East London
Speed Received: 880 Mbps - 1 Gbps down, 100-120 Mbps up. Fast.com usually reads fastest.
Only just activated so will give it time to settle but so far so good.
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Cries.
Tim
www.uno.net.uk & freenetname
Asus RT-AC1200G+ and ZyXEL VMG1312-B10A Bridge on 80/20 Meg Fibre
Speed Test
Current Sync: 79993/19661
BQM
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Further findings:
The speeds have stabilised at a consistent 900/110 Mbps on a wired connection, so very pleased with that.
The Velop Wi-Fi system is a few years old now and was a consumer-oriented device to start with. It's not designed for gigabit applications. Nonetheless it holds its own, consistently delivering the 900/110 over its ethernet port, and up to 550 Mbps over its Wi-Fi connection. It does not support Wi-Fi 6.
Interestingly it has a built-in speed check, based upon speedtest.net, that runs on-device. It caps out at around 550 Mbps down - which seems to be a limitation of either the test or the hardware.
Sadly I'm in an incredibly Wi-Fi congested environment, so most of time time the real world speeds are far lower. The main cause of the interference is that I live in an apartment building where everyone uses BT (it's FTTP only and BT is still the most popular big-box ISP for that), and so there are up to ten routers clogging up the spectrum on each floor of the building.
The Smart Hub 2 arrived today, so I thought I would give that a go.
It performs worse than the Velop in every respect and still has the glitch where the upload speed is capped at 50 Mbps. So that's going straight back into its box.
Next upgrade will be Wi-Fi 6, but most of my devices don't support that yet anyway.
Edited by deleted (Fri 01-May-20 11:05:16)
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Nice, I did look at the Ubiquiti router products, but they were a bit pricy compared to MikroTik Tik RB4011iGS+RM which I ended up getting, I did buy the UniFi nanoHD Access Point which is rather nice.
I never trust what fast.com says, one test said I was getting 860Mbit down and 290Mbit up and then another said I was getting 1.35Gbit down and 520Mbit up, so you cannot trust that site for speed tests.
I would use speedtest.net (pick a server closest to you) and TBB Tests due to they are consistent and mostly both match up with each other, well they have been for me.
I am just using the default config on my router, I had to enable IPv6 on it and then also add all the firewall filter rules for that.
Still not tested the Smart Hub 2 as yet due to I was waiting until BT renews the IP.
Paul
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Nice, would be nice to see what you get on that other router when you do change them over.
Paul
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Nice on your speeds 
I would take what fast.net says you are getting, its returning incorrect speeds, it just told me I am on about 1.53Gbit down and 1.2Gbit up (I [censored] wish LOL)
But the TBB speed result are very nice
Paul
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I made a few changes to the FireBrick configuration, mainly to see if it might improve anything, and I was able to get a better result. Depending on the remote server, I'm able to now get between approximately 600 to 700 megabits downstream on a multithreaded speed test without the latency spiking either. I won't rush to switch to the EdgeRouter as that's still a superb speed and not far from the package limit, but it will likely happen eventually. The FireBrick isn't shaping the downsteam, while the upstream is being shaped at approximately 87%.
https://www.speedtest.net/result/9375468743.png has been my best result so far.
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Nice.
Yeah I am in no rush to try other routers as yet, I will at some point, but not just yet.
As for the speed a few others and myself are getting, sure its lower than the 910Mbps a couple of people are getting.
But the way I see it, we were getting 293Mbps before and for the exact same price we are able to get 880 to 895Mbps with a minimal speed guarantee of 455Mbps which is still more than what we was getting before.
So we are very happy.
Paul
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I never trust what fast.com says, one test said I was getting 860Mbit down and 290Mbit up and then another said I was getting 1.35Gbit down and 520Mbit up, so you cannot trust that site for speed tests.
I think their default settings are not great for gigabit connections, too short a run. If you go into settings you can force it to run longer - with min 20secs mine usually settles around 900ish.
Most consistent for me is the windows speedtest app though, it pretty much always yields the same result (894/895). Perhaps browsers are no longer ideal for measuring these sorts of speeds? Dunno.
Edited by deleted (Mon 04-May-20 16:21:41)
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ISP: BT
Package: Full Fibre 900 + FVA (900Mbit, 110Mbit)
Router Using: BT Smart Hub 2
Location: Wiltshire
Speed Received: 894 Mbps.
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Yeah, it's a shame TBB doesn't have a desktop app to do some of their tests, that way its not limited by the browsers limitations.
Because I get very different results when using different browsers, which is why I use the exact same browser when I do all my tests.
Paul
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By the way Full Fibre 900 is 910Mbit down and 110Mbit up.
894Mbps is about what most of us are seeing, good to know the Smart Hub 2 is fine at those speeds.
Paul
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Nice,
I am looking to upgrade my FTTPoD to FTTP 1Gig as soon as my contract finishes (December 2020) - will be coming to an end after three years of flawless service from Cerberus.
I would have migrated earlier, but BT/Openreach would not allow me to upgrade and pay the extra difference. Instead wanted me to pay off my contract and start a new one, which is a shame.
So just waiting on that now, plus I read somewhere new pricing will be coming out for FTTP so might as well wait for that.
Ideally would like 1000/220
How has your experience been so far?
Cerberus FTTPoD
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plus I read somewhere new pricing will be coming out for FTTP so might as well wait for that.
I'm not aware of anything more, have you got a link?
The main repricing was the introduction of the 550/75 and 1000/115 tiers, which already took place on March 23. At the same time, the long-standing "special offer" pricing for 330/50 was effectively made permanent, and new "special offer" pricing for FTTP without voice was introduced which runs to September 2022:
https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/prici...
These are the standard prices for comparison:
https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/prici...
e.g. 1000/115 reduced from 375.36pa (31.28pm) to 291.36pa (24.28pm), and 550/75 and 330/50 both reduced to 255.36 (21.28pm)
Remember that only the very largest ISPs buy through Openreach. Most buy through BT Wholesale, and their pricing for FTTP is *way* higher.
I'm not expecting much if anything to trickle through to retail, although when Sky and Talktalk come on board with FTTP they're going to have to be competitive with BT.
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As candlerb points out the new pricing is out already.
The 500/165 and 1000/220 pricing was released some time ago (was far back as December 2016 according to OpenReach's pricing guide).
These are aimed at business customers and come with a £500 + VAT install fee.
It was the lower upload (i.e residential) packages that we were waiting for OpenReach to release pricing for.
They did this on 23/03/20 for the 550/75 and 1000/115 packages.
They have a much lower install fee at £98.48 + VAT.
Openreach FTTP Prices
Edited by j0hn83 (Tue 05-May-20 09:32:14)
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ISP: BT
Package: Full Fibre 900
Router: BT Smart Hub 2
Location: London ( 6 Miles from the nearest Ookla Server)
Speed: 900+ Mbps.
[IMG]https://www.speedtest.net/result/d/90519a86-108a-448...[/IMG]
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Thanks, I didn't realise they were updated already, however I still have to wait and see till December, so hopefully Cereberus will produce some new pricing by then.
Cerberus FTTPoD
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Just a heads up, since the outage that happened to me along with loads of others across the UK on the 14th in the early hours where BT did some maintenance, I have just noticed today a speed increase from the 880 - 890 Mbits to now around +930Mbits shown results for IPv4 and IPv6 below ( ignore the upload speed, upload test doesn't run long enough to settle):
IPv4 Results (937.25 Mbps) IPv6 Results (915.10 Mbps)  
So the people that were getting the speed that I was before, yours might of gone up as well.
Paul
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Good news Paul.
BTBroadband
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Wanted to say this too. Download speeds went up to 940 from 920 since the widespread outage at midnight on 14th
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Vey nice indeed
Paul
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I just repeated the test and my speed had gone up from 893 Mbps to 935 Mbps.
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I just repeated the test and my speed had gone up from 893 Mbps to 935 Mbps.
Nice
Was that a TBB Test or a speedtest.net one?
If it was a TBB one can you link it and what browser did you use.
Paul
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That was using the Speedtest app. I never seem to get more than about 320 Mbps with the TBB test.
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That was using the Speedtest app. I never seem to get more than about 320 Mbps with the TBB test.
All my tests are via the browser, I did try their app last night but for me it either only worked once or just crashes out, so there is something wrong with their app, I even use the Unity Engine myself so I know its not Unity at fault.
I might look at their code and see if I can create my own version with the latest Unity Engine.
But at least you are getting that faster speed though
Paul
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Can I ask the reasons why people decided to buy some beefy kit to replace the smart hub 2?
900 is being installed this month and I'm still debating on wether to bother getting a different router.
I don't need anything special and I don't need to use the wifi - it will be turned off as I have 4x wifi AP's dotted over the house, hardwired back to a switch.
The router just needs to do basic routing. So any need I've missed for a third party router? Only thing I can think of is the inability to set google dns.
Thanks
Edited by oldskool (Tue 02-Jun-20 17:14:29)
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I brought my own beefy router that I know "should" last me for a while speed wise.
I had nothing but issues with BT's Smart Hub like it locking up now and then when the connection is heavily used, there were loads of bugs at the time I was using it that never got resolved, no place to report the bugs to, BT never passes on those reported issues.
Plus BT's Hubs are locked down out of your control.
One main issue with BT Hubs is that they do love to reboot way too often than they need to.
I have not used the Smart Hub 2 as yet which is still in its box on the shelf in case I have an issue, apart from that I won't be using it.
Please be aware that there are not that many Routers that can handle +900Mbits throughput, so you will need to do research before buying one.
But you might be fine and happy with the Smart Hub 2.
Paul
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I am using the smart hub 2 with the 150/30 service. If I upgrade to a faster service (assuming BT offer greater than 330 on my connection at some point) then I would see how it performs. For the service I am on it seems to be fine, I have rarely had to force a reboot and when it decides to do its own reboot it tends to be in the middle of the night so none of us have noticed.
The smart hub 2 is good enough and considering if I replace it I would look to buy a fairly high spec'd router then I can't currently justify to myself spending the sort of money I would feel necessary to get anything better.
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@oldskool
If you are not missing any functionality you need then stick with the router you have got, provided it is powerful enough.
Sorts of things that I use my relatively high-end prosumer router (Unifi UDM-Pro) are:
- having multiple vlans to isolate traffic from Iot, camera devives
- running a VPN, so I can "call home" whenever I want to (so avoiding security issues with public networks)
- running a proper firewall
- running DNS content filters
- recording cameras, viewing time-lapses etc
- tracking network/data usage
- managing switches, APs and cameras
Most would not want or need this kind of functionality/complexity, so I would not suggest upgrading for the sake of it. Just make sure that your existing router really can cope with gigabit wired speeds, otherwise you are paying for a service you can't use.
BTW other than the day that fibre was installed, I have never used the SmartHub2, so have no idea which - if any - of the above list it would support.
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