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Standard User APTMAN
(regular) Wed 20-May-20 12:04:20
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GPON FTTP Install.


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Hello.

My question is about the location of the CSP and ONT .


It looks like BTOR are bringing GPON FTTP to our village sometime (hopefully soon ?), they have surveyed the ducts and installed draw ropes in them.


Our 'Underground' BT cable comes into our enclosed porch via an underground grey plastic duct of about 2" Dia or 5.08cm Dia and is about 100' or 30.5 metres to the BT manhole . (I know where the end is under a access panel in the floorboards) .

Can the CSP And ONT be located in our porch ?,

Had a word with our local Planning department who would Not like any box's being installed on the out side of our building as we live in a 'Special conservation area' .


There is power in the porch and my router and home Ethernet cables also I can make a 'Dedicate' location for the equipment.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 20-May-20 12:49:14
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CSP is usually on outside, the point being access is possible without entering a property.

If the duct does surface inside the porch then likely point where CSP will go though, for most properties it surfaces outside, so you are a bit different in that respect for underground served properties.

ONT can be some metres away from the CSP so inside property is normal, since not weather proof.

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Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 20-May-20 12:50:21
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There is nothing installed outside of my house. The fibre cable runs along the wall and into the house where it then goes into the ONT. There isn't anything else installed before the ONT.


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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 20-May-20 13:06:15
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Current preference has moved back to using CSP as saves time stripping off the black UV proof outer, plus if internal cabling damaged e.g. dog eats it then just a new internal cable needed no need to replace back to the DP

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Standard User candlerb
(experienced) Wed 20-May-20 13:14:24
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Openreach engineers are generally very helpful - if you explain that this is a conservation area, and given that the ducting already goes into your porch anyway, I'm sure they'll be fine with the CSP going there too.
Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 20-May-20 13:16:44
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OK, mine was only installed about October last year so assumed it would be a fairly current design but it sounds like they change the way the install every time the wind changes smile
Standard User Highland76
(learned) Wed 20-May-20 13:16:56
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The external CSP fitted on my outer wall is around 12cm x 10cm in size and comes in 2 colours (grey & brown) so could be blended in with brickwork. I don't see why your local planning dept would object to such a small box. I suspect when you mentioned "box" to them, they assumed the worst eg 1 metre wide box

Mine is just outside the porch. The lighter grey casing was already there before FTTP was installed:

https://i.postimg.cc/V67bDk65/IMG-001.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/SR3Yb1ch/IMG-002.jpg

BT Business FTTP 330/50 -- Netgear RAX200
Standard User threelegs
(member) Wed 20-May-20 14:02:20
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as the duct already appears in the porch, for OR to fit an external CSP they would have to dig down to find the duct and break into it to bring the fibre out of the ground . fitting it in the porch sounds like a much better idea

Edited by threelegs (Wed 20-May-20 14:03:11)

Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 20-May-20 14:18:17
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That’s an old style CSP .... they are smaller and more ‘box like’ now, and in your pictured scenario, would be fitted directly on top of that grey capping, as have room to house the existing copper too.

Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 20-May-20 14:20:25
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The ONT should NOT be sited outside, it is internal kit, not waterproof.

Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 20-May-20 14:22:37
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On top of an external testing point being provided by a CSP, and Mr.S’s suggestion, there has been a higher than acceptable amount of field fit connectors failing (the SC end fitting into the ONT.

Standard User Highland76
(learned) Wed 20-May-20 17:44:49
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Yep my install was done in 2017.

Are the latest CSPs smaller as there's no need to coil spare fibres anymore?

These are guts of my CSP

https://i.postimg.cc/ZKRCN8x6/IMG-0360.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/FKtRw25x/IMG-0361.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/L8g5Cm7X/IMG-0362.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/TY4hJKtF/IMG-0363.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/PqmxH2dn/IMG-0364.jpg

BT Business FTTP 330/50 -- Netgear RAX200

Edited by Highland76 (Wed 20-May-20 17:46:28)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 20-May-20 17:56:26
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Same size and the coiling remains, since it also means there is usually some spare fibre if the first splice is not a good one.

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Standard User CarlTSpeak
(member) Wed 20-May-20 19:40:15
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In reply to a post by Zarjaz:
On top of an external testing point being provided by a CSP, and Mr.S’s suggestion, there has been a higher than acceptable amount of field fit connectors failing (the SC end fitting into the ONT.


Oh joy. Guess what's going into mine.

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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 20-May-20 20:05:37
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I had one pack up three days after fitting it, and the initial light loss reading was pukka ... like .3db difference from the reading at the CBT ...

I was never a fan anyway ... splice or be damned I say

Standard User E300
(regular) Thu 21-May-20 10:17:06
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In reply to a post by CarlTSpeak:
Oh joy. Guess what's going into mine.


Same here, do we know what the cause of failure is?

I do the like fact though on my install there is nothing extra visible from outside the property to what has been there for 30 years for the telephone wire. Unless you came inside the property and saw the ONT you'd not know fibre was installed. Seems a cleaner install and less likely to get tampered with or be affected by UV and the elements.

Fingers crossed I'm not in that higher than acceptable percentage group smile
Standard User APTMAN
(member) Thu 21-May-20 19:51:31
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Ok Thanks.

Will someone from BTOR come and do a survey ? , I have registered my interest with them.

Do Openreach provide the ONT ?.

Did I read that the New ONT are only One port and have No battery back up which could mean a UPS for power cuts (which we tend to get often).
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 21-May-20 20:07:43
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Stage one (non appointed) will be done to provide service to a CSP at the property......

Stage two (on the date of install you’ll be given) will provide a single port ONT and no BBU, to an agreed location WITHIN REASON.

Standard User j0hn83
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 21-May-20 20:14:36
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Someone from OpenReach will visit the property to check the route between the DP and where the CSP will be located. If clear they will run the fibre to the CSP.

OpenReach provide the ONT when running the fibre from the CSP to the inside of the property.

The ONT's are all 1 port yes.

Battery backup units are no longer provided by OpenReach.
It's up to the service provider to give a UPS to vulnerable customers where appropriate, such as the elderly and in areas with a poor mobile signal.

Edited by j0hn83 (Thu 21-May-20 20:16:43)

Standard User APTMAN
(member) Thu 21-May-20 21:55:21
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In reply to a post by Zarjaz:
Stage one (non appointed) will be done to provide service to a CSP at the property......

Stage two (on the date of install you’ll be given) will provide a single port ONT and no BBU, to an agreed location WITHIN REASON.


I want the CSP in the porch so may need an appointment.

O.R. have my contact details will they get in touch before this work starts ?.

In reply to a post by j0hn83:
It's up to the service provider to give a UPS to vulnerable customers where appropriate, such as the elderly and in areas with a poor mobile signal.


Sounds good, I think we qualify for both counts, so hope to get a free one.
Standard User dect
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 21-May-20 22:02:58
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Know of anyone who has a picture of a new style CSP and its dimensions
Standard User APTMAN
(member) Fri 22-May-20 15:45:37
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In reply to a post by Highland76:
Yep my install was done in 2017.

Are the latest CSPs smaller as there's no need to coil spare fibres anymore?

These are guts of my CSP

https://i.postimg.cc/ZKRCN8x6/IMG-0360.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/FKtRw25x/IMG-0361.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/L8g5Cm7X/IMG-0362.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/TY4hJKtF/IMG-0363.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/PqmxH2dn/IMG-0364.jpg


Not sure if it's me but your links do not work.

Can you get your tape measure out and measure the new CSP please.
Standard User Highland76
(learned) Fri 22-May-20 16:57:29
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Links still seem to be valid but here's a different one

https://imgur.com/a/R19T56P

Exact CSP dimensions are 16 x 10 cm but mine was installed in 2017. No idea on the dimensions of the latest CSP.

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Standard User APTMAN
(member) Fri 22-May-20 17:11:03
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[re: Highland76] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Highland76:
Links still seem to be valid but here's a different one

https://imgur.com/a/R19T56P

Exact CSP dimensions are 16 x 10 cm but mine was installed in 2017. No idea on the dimensions of the latest CSP.


Thanks.
Yes the links do work, My fault, Laptop issue.
Standard User APTMAN
(member) Tue 26-May-20 12:54:14
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Going for our 'Government approved walk' yesterday I noticed new FTTP equipment on some BT poles and new manholes down this lane on the far end of our village smile , using the BT checker for the properties near there and None are enabled for FTTP yet only on Demand available at a silly cost.

Will the whole village/ area be enabled or will it go live in stages ?.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 26-May-20 13:22:37
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Can be weeks or months between some parts appearing and going live, due to how easy it is for some teams to carry on working

If a village is one of the named fibre villages then generally you see various phases, but for some it all almost goes live at the same time.

Unlikely anyone installing the kit will know the full story and even at higher levels things happen that change timelines all too often.

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Standard User APTMAN
(member) Tue 26-May-20 14:19:21
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Thanks Mr S .
I will keep an eye on the checkers.

What I will do in the mean time is to install some more sockets in our covered enclosed porch (our porch is an area in the house where the consumer units and electric meter are also our BT landline and my DSL modem ) for the equipment and also first fit some plywood to the area were the CSP and ONT, my 16 port network switch and hardware firewall. (it's easier to screw things to the plywood then drilling and plugging the wall each time smile )

Do we know what size the new ONT and CSP are ?.
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