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My bother should soon have FTTP available to him, currently his phone line comes from the pole to the top of the upstairs bay, then into the loft.
I suggested he got ready for FTTP by running a suitable pipe under the floor boards from where the ONT will be to the front of his house at ground level, but he doesn't want a cable running down the front of his house, or a box at ground level.
So he asked if it would be possible to have the CSP just below the soffit, tucked in a corner as per the below picture, the big red X marks the desired location?
https://i.postimg.cc/pXk97ypj/House.jpg
We understand that the engineer won't go in the loft, but my brother will. The engineer will need to be up the ladder to install the new drop wire anyway, so could he install the CSP up there?
Would a 15mm ID pipe be big enough to feed the fibre through, and if I remember correctly it's fed from the inside to the outside as the ONT end is already terminated?
Also what's the maximum length of the internal fibre run?
Thanks
Edited by R0NSKI (Wed 22-Jul-20 19:46:56)
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I’d say, that’s a no. You cannot expect the OR staff to splice at the top of the ladder. From a safety point of view, or for the practicality of preparing the fibre and splicing it.
The longest readily available ’inside out’ fibre lead is 30m.
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Thanks for the quick reply Zarjaz, I wasn't sure how they connected the two fibres and did say to my brother it may not be possible.
Edited by R0NSKI (Wed 22-Jul-20 20:39:05)
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No problem RONSKI, sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
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The longest readily available ’inside out’ fibre lead is 30m.
Please:
Is 30m from the "top of the pole" to the ONT ?
Can the CSP be internal and next to the ONT ?
What is the max distance between ONT and CSP?
Thanks.
Cheers!
Clive
Andrews & Arnold Home::1 FTTC DrayTek Vigor 2762ac Cisco SPA112 and HUAWEI E5776 with O2 Data SIM
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Nope, 30m is the cable from ONT to CSP (customer splice point)
The point is to provide an external access point. Also, the installs can take a fair while sometimes ... so run from ONT outside, then the customer doesn’t have to wait whilst CBT to CSP is done.
So 30m, between ONT and CSP, but I hear you can get longer kits too. You have to bear in mind too, that that’s not 30m straight line, going round a door frame will take 4m + ... and you’ll need a couple of metres to wind into the CSP.
Ideally, the ONT would be just the other side of the wall, near a fixed power supply.
If punters want it somewhere ‘fiddly’ or out of the way, they should run their own cat5/6 between the ONT’s location, and where they want their router to go.
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Thanks Zarjaz.
When Openreach bring the fibre from the pole to the house, will the "cable" include a copper pair, ie a sort of composite fibre and copper cable?
Having asked that, I guess it may depend on whether this is requested FTTP or when the local loop for PSTN is switched off?
Talking to an Openreach Engineer yesterday, just before he lifted the lid on the manhole opposite, there are some surveys taking place around the Hawarden exchange area. He also said to watch out for a new box appearing on the telephone pole.
Cheers!
Clive
Andrews & Arnold Home::1 FTTC DrayTek Vigor 2762ac Cisco SPA112 and HUAWEI E5776 with O2 Data SIM
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The O/H connectorised FTTP cables have a single copper pair attached to them.
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Reasoning being I believe that the old copper is used as a draw rope to pull the new cable across the span.
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Also because there limits to the loads a poles ring head can take, and could end up overloaded.
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Many thanks Zarjaz.
Cheers!
Clive
Andrews & Arnold Home::1 FTTC DrayTek Vigor 2762ac Cisco SPA112 and HUAWEI E5776 with O2 Data SIM
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when i had my fttp installed, without a CSP, the nice staff at OR ran the cable down from the pole through ducting I had installed across the garden and left the coiled up fibre at the house. i ran it through 20mm corrugated conduit up the house wall beside the gutter downpipe then through the loft to about midway in the house then dropped it down through the stud walls to a cupboard where i have the ONT and the router. the nice staff at OR gave me a couple of days to run the cable internally before they came back and connected everything up. if you can get the internal fibre early you could possibly do similiar. i might have got lucky with having a couple days to run the internal bit as there was a problem so instead of a one visit connection it dragged out to a two visit over a few days
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Thanks, I think its all about being prepared, as your never quite sure how helpful the engineer will be on the day. I've said to my brother that if he really doesn't want a cable run down down the front of his entirely average looking semi then run a conduit down internally from the soffit/fascia to the front of the house, then the drop wire can be routed through that to ground level. The CSP can be put next to the existing gas meter box, which is almost completely covered in over grown plants.
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Can both the fire cable and the replacement copper cable, come through an existing hole that that the copper cable comes thru. I'm fine with the csp just badly don't want another external hole
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Nope, not unless the exiting hole is made much bigger. Usually the copper pair on the FTTP cable is peeled back to the eaves, and a closure fitted (if one does not exist already) to join this to the existing copper running in.
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Thanks, I think its all about being prepared, as your never quite sure how helpful the engineer will be on the day. I've said to my brother that if he really doesn't want a cable run down down the front of his entirely average looking semi then run a conduit down internally from the soffit/fascia to the front of the house, then the drop wire can be routed through that to ground level. The CSP can be put next to the existing gas meter box, which is almost completely covered in over grown plants.
A very reasonable suggestion RONSKI, and as someone on ‘the other end’ of all this, a sound attitude/approach to adopt.
No matter what, hope it all goes smoothly for your brothers install.
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Thanks Zarjaz, what is the largest diameter of the drop cable, will it fit in a 15mm ID tube?
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Thanks Zarjaz, what is the largest diameter of the drop cable, will it fit in a 15mm ID tube?
Hold please ...
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....approx 7, maybe 8mm.
Also, the important thing is nice ‘slow’ bends, and a decent draw cord.
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Thank you very much, thinner that what I thought.
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On our existing copper setup, its like that already. One drop wire, one line going into the loft (wished we changed that when they redid the cable) and another going into the bedroom (single story).
Theres tv/sat cables (four cables) coming thru the window frame (i need to remove them - at some point as the window does need replacing)..
hence the idea of having one hole for the outside cables but i don't know the best way to go about it and one that would be OR happy!
Edited by Taras (Sun 26-Jul-20 16:56:35)
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You’ve got to suspect that no self respecting service provider would want to be sharing a hole. If other hole users damage the fibre, then it costs to replace these things ....
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You’ve got to suspect that no self respecting service provider would want to be sharing a hole. If other hole users damage the fibre, then it costs to replace these things ....
I’m just completing works on a London property. We have installed three separate colour-coded 50mm underground conduit lead-ins: One for each of Openreach (grey), Virgin (green) and a “Spare” (grey). The two former now have either cabling drawn in, or are fully roped to their respective chambers.
The latter conduit stops a few inches short of the footpath boundary, capped with rope and is future ready should either G.Network or Hyperoptic (both of whom are cabling elsewhere in the borough....you never know) deign to run services in the street.
I’m of the “do it once, do it right” mentality.
Edited by Pheasant (Sun 26-Jul-20 19:00:51)
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