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Standard User Pommeinzennor
(newbie) Wed 29-Jul-20 16:18:34
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FTTP to a office upstairs?


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Hello,

I have just found this forum after google search about having FTTP installed into a office upstairs. Having done a search of the forum I have not been able to answer my question, but apologies if it has been covered before.

I like in a 1966 bungalow which has had part of the attack converted into a bedroom and office. I have previously ordered FTTP (4 months ago), and explained when ordering that we would like the FTTP installed into the office, as well as explaining the lay out of the house. The telephone line comes to the end of the house with the attic, and there is a 5 meter section of attic with boarding and stilts. The sales person said this should not be a problem.

However when the engineer came to do the install, he said that the external box would have to be put next to the front door and the only place the ONT box would be straight through he wall into the bedroom. We advised him there were no power sockets there and this was not feasible, but his reply was due to the age of the wiring it is the only place it could do. I asked if they could not install the box on the outside and then run the wiring up the wall and then into the left, then office. The engineer said that he did not want to do that as it might not work properly. So we canceled the order and left it that I was stuck with DSL.

But last week I was talking to said to try a local company, so have spoken to them who said that there is no reason it can be done as we want, and that they will put the order through, but obviously I don't want the same situation to happen, or if I was to run some tubing and string so any wiring can be fed through easier this can be done prior.

https://ibb.co/2WNyMhh
Here is what bt wholesale checker says.

Any advice on what we are wanting is feasible would be greatly appreciated.
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 29-Jul-20 16:58:50
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All you would need to do is run some Cat5 or Cat6 cabling from the feasible ONT location to where you want the router to be. This way you can do it how you see fit.

Tubing and a drawcord might work, but it depends on the installer on the day.

Standard User Pommeinzennor
(newbie) Wed 29-Jul-20 17:10:42
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In reply to a post by Zarjaz:
All you would need to do is run some Cat5 or Cat6 cabling from the feasible ONT location to where you want the router to be. This way you can do it how you see fit.

Tubing and a drawcord might work, but it depends on the installer on the day.


Thank you for the reply. Due to the function of the room, being my sons bedroom, as well as only one power socket in that room. I don't really want to have it in there.

How long can the cable that goes from the outside box to the ont be, it would be around 4 metres if they have the box by the front door. Is the cable also weatherproof?


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Standard User PianSomB
(learned) Wed 29-Jul-20 17:12:44
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As described above, you are probably best getting the ONT installed somewhere conveniently and unobtrusively near a power point and then running some cat 6 to where you want your router/network centre to be.

My fibre arrived in ducting into a wiring cupboard in the centre of my house. I ran network cabling from there to various places, (I am hoping to sell in the near future, so did not want to go to the bother and expense of a permanent, chased, installation.) I have found that flat cable like this (£16 for 20m) is unnoticeable at the bottom of skirting, and thin cable like this (£10 for 20m!) will slip into all sorts of places without being seen.

Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 29-Jul-20 17:22:50
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The fibre between the ONT (inside box - from which an ethernet cable runs to the router) and the CSP (external fibre connection point) can be up to 30m .... this cable is waterproof

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 29-Jul-20 18:25:46
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Issue may have been worries about having to crawl through a customers loft.

The CSP needs to be at ground level due to the need to splice the fibre together, but ONT cable can run some distance, if you install some tubing (duct) that has a rope in it to pull the fibre through easily i.e. one end indoors in office and other outside where they were going to install the CSP previously then all should be good.

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Standard User nicknack101uk
(newbie) Wed 29-Jul-20 19:54:19
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Hi,

I had FTTP fitted last month, no problem with the ONT upstairs on an outside wall. The CSP is at ground level, then the fibre was run back up the outside wall by Openreach.

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Standard User APTMAN
(member) Wed 29-Jul-20 21:58:39
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If I was you I would install some ducting pipe like https://www.toolstation.com/mdpe-pipe/p11290
From where you BT line comes in (protruding out of the loft space wall or under the eaves about 6" /150mm ) run it through your loft space and down to a point where you want your ONT near two 13 A power sockets (one /ONT and one/router).

Another idea would be install some pipe duct though your roof space and out the other side (Like above) so BTOR chaps would only have to put there ladder up and maybe trim your pipe then they could feed fibre through your roof space without them going in there which they will not, then down the wall to the outside of your office.

That mdpe pipe is very strong so no tight bends in it (say radius of 12"/300mm would do), you would not need any draw rope as the fibre will push into it.

I was told today that CSP are not always used depends on where your BT line is feed from (maybe a pole ? how far away ?).

Some photos would be useful.
Standard User dect
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 29-Jul-20 22:05:18
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In reply to a post by APTMAN:
you would not need any draw rope as the fibre will push into it.
Would always recommend a draw rope when providing conduit/ducting for Openreach to use.
Standard User jabuzzard
(committed) Wed 29-Jul-20 23:33:10
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This is why the ONT should be able to be powered using PoE, then these sorts of problems go away. Ubiquiti manage to do a GPON ONT that can be powered by both passive 24 PoE and pucker 802.3af for hardly any money. Hell Mikrotik manage it in their under £30 WiFi access points.

You could however just use a splitter. The idea you need a power point near an ONT is so last century.
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