Just an idea..

The ONT could be installed anywhere and you run Cat 6 to it's location. The Cat 6 would carry POE which you could use a splitter to step down to the required 5/12v (I'm not sure of the new Nokia ONT voltage).

You are then at your leisure to run the cable. You'll just need a POE switch or injector at the "top end". No mains required at the ONT location.

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Just an idea..

The ONT could be installed anywhere and you run Cat 6 to it's location. The Cat 6 would carry POE which you could use a splitter to step down to the required 5/12v (I'm not sure of the new Nokia ONT voltage).

You are then at your leisure to run the cable. You'll just need a POE switch or injector at the "top end". No mains required at the ONT location.

It *could* work but the pragmatics of convincing an OR engineer to install an ONT where there is no standard 13A switched socket outlet would need to be overcome.

It is situations like this where a ONT that could be powered using PoE could solve a multitude of problems over optimal location issues

The ONT is almost certainly within the power budget of basic 802.3af, so you could just run a bit of Cat5e or better still Cat6 to where the ONT will be located back where ever you want the router to be located.

At a guess the ONT just uses a 12V DC power supply with a 2.1mm centre pin positive plug at about 1A, so just about any PoE spliiter with injector or switch would solve any issues around not having mains power where the ONT needs to be situated. Personally I would be of the opinion to have some sort of jerry rigged solution (eg. extension lead) and tell the Openreach engineer that the electrician is due next week to fit the power power socket. Then the moment they have left get my vernier calipers out measure the plug and order an appropriate splitter up.

Let's face it a Mikrotik cAP lite WiFi access point can be powered with either 802.3af/at or 24V passive power over Ethernet and costs £30. It is a disgrace that those responsible in Openreach are so stupidly thick as to not provide it as an option My guess is the person responsible hasn't the faintest clue what PoE even is..

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It is a disgrace that those responsible in Openreach are so stupidly thick as to not provide it as an option My guess is the person responsible hasn't the faintest clue what PoE even is..

What Openreach don't provide they don't have to support or replace, if people choose to do this when the Openreach installation engineer leaves is down to them but they (and their family) need to remember that they also need to support it when it goes wrong.

All installed!

The engineer was really good, we discussed where I wanted it and he basically agreed with what I said. I do have the wire running along the skirting board, so I'll buy some trunking to hide it.

He did a very neat job and replaced my xNTE with the CSP so I don't have multiple boxes outside my house

Only issue is once I disconnected my FTTC connection and switched to my google wifi - my full fibre connection has reverted to my FTTC profile, despite switching back to the BT smart hub 2.

BT say I'll have to wait up to midnight for the order to complete

Weird since it was working fine before.

*update* all sorted, I plugged my old router back into my FTTC connection and it switched my FTTP back to 300

Edited by deleted (Tue 10-Nov-20 16:13:08)

In reply to a post by jabuzzard:

It is situations like this where a ONT that could be powered using PoE could solve a multitude of problems over optimal location issues

The ONT is almost certainly within the power budget of basic 802.3af, so you could just run a bit of Cat5e or better still Cat6 to where the ONT will be located back where ever you want the router to be located.

At a guess the ONT just uses a 12V DC power supply with a 2.1mm centre pin positive plug at about 1A, so just about any PoE spliiter with injector or switch would solve any issues around not having mains power where the ONT needs to be situated. Personally I would be of the opinion to have some sort of jerry rigged solution (eg. extension lead) and tell the Openreach engineer that the electrician is due next week to fit the power power socket. Then the moment they have left get my vernier calipers out measure the plug and order an appropriate splitter up.

Let's face it a Mikrotik cAP lite WiFi access point can be powered with either 802.3af/at or 24V passive power over Ethernet and costs £30. It is a disgrace that those responsible in Openreach are so stupidly thick as to not provide it as an option My guess is the person responsible hasn't the faintest clue what PoE even is..

I got myself one of these - https://shorturl.at/oquF2 to do exactly what you say here. Good for 12v 1A.

We are in the midst of an FTTP install across our estate so ran some new ethernet outlets to the wall where they will come in with the fibre (no plug sockets)

Should make for a nice neat install!

Edited by kjwkjw (Tue 10-Nov-20 14:47:13)

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In reply to a post by jabuzzard:

It is a disgrace that those responsible in Openreach are so stupidly thick as to not provide it as an option My guess is the person responsible hasn't the faintest clue what PoE even is..

What Openreach don't provide they don't have to support or replace, if people choose to do this when the Openreach installation engineer leaves is down to them but they (and their family) need to remember that they also need to support it when it goes wrong.

That is a load of rubbish. Power over Ethernet is an IEEE standard. They manage to support 802.3ab for example (and probably 802.3u and 802.3i) so how come 802.3af is beyond the pale. The ONT probably supports a range of other Ethernet standards, I imagine 802.3ac and a bunch of the 802.1 as well or it would be a useless hunk of junk.

Does your training say anything about installing the ONT next to a fixed power socket or is that something OpenReach don't care about?

It's not a load of rubbish.

It might be an IEEE standard but it isn't standard in the average home.
Any subsequent occupier would likely want an ONT moved to where there is a fixed power socket.
As the ONT is the NTE that would be entirely at OpenReach's expense.

OpenReach might be flexible and not care, but you can't expect them to support something the average home owner doesn't use just because it's an IEEE standard.

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In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by jabuzzard:

It is a disgrace that those responsible in Openreach are so stupidly thick as to not provide it as an option My guess is the person responsible hasn't the faintest clue what PoE even is..

What Openreach don't provide they don't have to support or replace, if people choose to do this when the Openreach installation engineer leaves is down to them but they (and their family) need to remember that they also need to support it when it goes wrong.

That is a load of rubbish. Power over Ethernet is an IEEE standard. They manage to support 802.3ab for example (and probably 802.3u and 802.3i) so how come 802.3af is beyond the pale. The ONT probably supports a range of other Ethernet standards, I imagine 802.3ac and a bunch of the 802.1 as well or it would be a useless hunk of junk.

I think as usual you've missed the point entirely, you're so wrapped up quoting different POE standards that you haven't even attempted to understand the point being made about keeping things simple. I think maybe if you worked for a large organisation rather than a university you would understand the complexity of scale.