In reply to a post by dect:

I think maybe if you worked for a large organisation rather than a university you would understand the complexity of scale.

I think you need to start wrapping your head around how large universities are. They are mostly as defined by ONS large organisations. Certainly the one I work for falls into that category.

That's is another bunch of cobblers. Moving an NTE5 is at your own expense not OpenReach's. So why would moving a ONT be at OpenReach's expense?

The reality is there is no earthly reason for it to be OpenReach's problem so the new home owner can either power it with an injector like the last occupants, pay to move the ONT or pay to have a power socket installed.

The chances are if a home owner went for using PoE to power the ONT there is likely going to be a good reason for it and you are highly likely to find a wired connection back to some far more sensible location for a router. Any new owner doing something different is likely to need their head examining.

In reply to a post by jabuzzard:

I think you need to start wrapping your head around how large universities are. They are mostly as defined by ONS large organisations. Certainly the one I work for falls into that category.

Maybe you could also try to get your head around my last employer who has over 400,000 internal devices (excluding BYOD), millions of external customers across every continent and has an IT department of just under 10,000. I suspect after that you may reflect on the true size of your university even if is considered an ONS large organisation.

The point I was trying to make was Openreach don't want to have multiple ways to power their ONT's nor do they want to supply them in blue, pink or black. Other than having serveral manufactures, one size fits all.

Edited by deleted (Thu 12-Nov-20 23:54:44)

I don't think they install a CSP inside a property.

They put my CSP on the chimney stack in the loft, after bringing in the overhead fibre and copper cable (both in one single cable) into the house from the pole outside. This replaced the old copper one which also came through the loft to the master (copper) socket which is also up there. He used the old cable to pull in the fibre I think. The ONT is installed in a cupboard on the upstairs landing underneath. I'd put some ducting conduit to make it easy for them to reach that.

It was a FTTPoD install so perhaps they are a bit more accommodating for this. But the engineer installing it all said it was an easy job for him, and he would have done it for any customer.

It was good because I didn't want fibre trailing down the wall to a CSP, and back up again, but I didn't tell them that.

Edited by shaunhw (Mon 07-Dec-20 15:26:42)

I would not have expected it to be particularly expensive to put in an extra power socket on a plasterboard wall, probably a spur off an existing ring main. Before regulations were tightened, I used to do this myself, particularly if there was already a socket on the other side of the wall. This might also avoid problems when you need to sell the house in the future, and the buyer wishes to use wifi only and does not want to bother with ethernet circuitry. ( I do use a mixture of wifi and ethernet circuitry for the household electronics.)

In reply to a post by dect:

Maybe you could also try to get your head around my last employer who has over 400,000 internal devices (excluding BYOD), millions of external customers across every continent and has an IT department of just under 10,000. I suspect after that you may reflect on the true size of your university even if is considered an ONS large organisation.

You are engaging in a pi$$ing contest. My University has over 60.000 devices in the IPAM, and hundreds of IT support staff. That is not small by any stretch of the imagination. Just because your previous employer was larger does not make my current employer small. Once you are managing 50,000 devices you might as well be managing 100,000 or 400,000 it's meh.

The point I was trying to make was Openreach don't want to have multiple ways to power their ONT's nor do they want to supply them in blue, pink or black. Other than having serveral manufactures, one size fits all.

And the point I was making that it is fricking trivial to have an ONT that can be powered from an external PSU OR or via PoE. Mikrotik can manage it in a sub £25 WiFi access point so it's perfectly possible to do, and the idea that it complicates things is laughable in the extreme.

Trying to bend every install so they have to have a power socket where the ONT is located is fine for a new build. It is not fine for retrofitting millions of houses where hundreds of thousands will not have a power socket in a suitable location. Frankly the fact the ONT does not fitn a 47mm deep double socket with fibre and ethernet connected from behind is a retrograde step IMHO.

In reply to a post by jabuzzard:

Just because your previous employer was larger does not make my current employer small.

Relatively it makes your university smaller than small. Quoting how many devices in IPAM is funny too as I am guessing the vast majority of the ones that still actually exist will be BYOD and not university assets.

In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by jabuzzard:

Just because your previous employer was larger does not make my current employer small.

Relatively it makes your university smaller than small. Quoting how many devices in IPAM is funny too as I am guessing the vast majority of the ones that still actually exist will be BYOD and not university assets.

Your like the idiot who thought that earning £80k did not put you in the top 5% LOL.

Any you would be guessing wrong, not a single BYOD will be in the IPAM. A BYOD device will connect through Eduroam and thus is not actually registered in advance. Oh and most things actually exist because most devices actually have a full public IPv4 address which means address of old devices are regularly recycled. They did move mobile devices onto a private address space last year, but prior to that even my phone would get a proper public IPv4 address. The university has a couple of class B networks for reference.